The Dark, the Desk, and the Shadow Man

Speaker 20:12

Are you interested in angels, demons, ghosts, spirits, and monsters? Are you curious about their origins, tales, <span data-t="22.

1">and influence upon history and on the present day? If so, then sit back, relax, and welcome to <span data-t="30.

8">Southern Demonology, the podcast that explores all of this and more. Hello all. Welcome back to another episode <span data-t="42.

3">of Southern Demonology. And we're taking a break from our demonology series for once, because I have an <span data-t="50.

2">extra special guest that I would like to introduce to everyone. I have with me today Tommy from <span data-t="56.

2">the Let's Get Freaky podcast. And no, it's not that kind of freaky, and that's his joke, not mine.

But he I first heard Tommy speaking with uh Chris in the Wandering Road, who everyone knows <span data-t="69.

5">we have uh a very good friendship, and it was phenomenal. And after hearing that interview, I knew <span data-t="76.

0">that I had to talk to him as well. So I'm a I'm leaching a little bit from the <span data-t="80.

4">from the wandering road, but you know, it's a partnership more than anything else. But Tommy, how are <span data-t="86.

6">you doing this evening?

Speaker 11:27

Thank you, brother. I'm very excited to be here, man. Thank you very much. I'm looking forward <span data-t="91.

3">to this one. And you're right.

Speaker 21:32

You and me both. I've been talking about it. It's not that kind of freaky.

Speaker 11:35

It's it's scary freaky we do with a let's get freaky. Not the other kind of freaky.

Speaker 21:41

Yeah, I am I'm certainly not known for anything else other than what I do. But I'm <span data-t="109.

8">I'm excited to be here, man. Thank you very much for inviting me on, brother. Well, of course. <span data-t="113.

4">I wouldn't have it any other way, my friend. So just to start us off, a little bit <span data-t="118.

5">of uh icebreaking here. For listeners who may be new to your show, who are you and what's <span data-t="125.

6">your podcast about?

Speaker 12:06

Yeah, so the the podcast is called Let's Get Freaky. And I basically have cool guests on <span data-t="131.

8">sharing paranormal experiences, ghosts, cryptids, UFOs, all topics of high strangeness, a little bit of conspiracy as <span data-t="139.

8">well, because I think that can be connected too. And yeah, we just we just get freaky, man. <span data-t="144.

2">I've had a lot of paranormal experiences myself, so I know this stuff is real, you know. I <span data-t="148.

3">don't I know when I'm talking to people that these experiences are real because I've experienced so <span data-t="152.

9">much weird stuff myself, you know. And I just want, you know, obviously we all want answers, <span data-t="157.

6">it's very difficult to know because there's there's so much to this paranormal stuff, but I just <span data-t="161.

9">like talking to people, hearing other people's thoughts and opinions because we've all got different opinions on <span data-t="166.

8">what this kind of stuff is, you know, and that's it, really, man. It's just learning and <span data-t="170.

3">sharing, and you know, a lot of these paranormal experiences that we have, they're not as strange <span data-t="175.

3">as they're actually quite common. A lot of people do experience this kind of stuff, you know. <span data-t="180.

2">Even people that say they don't believe in the paranormal, it's not real, and stuff like that. <span data-t="184.

7">Even them, you know, they'll turn around and say, But there was this one time, and they're the <span data-t="189.

1">stories that you know really grabbed my attention when they say, you know, there was this one <span data-t="192.

3">time they tell me this incredible experience that they've had, and you're like, Well, the man, that <span data-t="197.

3">sounds that sounds paranormal, man. You know, but it's and it's fascinating. It's a scary topic, it <span data-t="202.

8">does scare me. I do get scared. I am very scared of the dark still to this day, <span data-t="206.

6">but it's always just fascinating me. All topics of high strangeness, and yeah, I just want to <span data-t="211.

0">learn more, man. So that's why I do the show to meet cool people like yourself.

Speaker 23:34

Well, I don't think you would be the first person who was who would categorize me as <span data-t="218.

9">cool, but I think I'll drop you some money in the van. No, you're a cool dude. You <span data-t="225.

0">got a podcast that you're cool. You're a cool dude. I feel trust me. I've said it before, <span data-t="229.

8">and I'll say it again. One of the things that I did not think that I would get <span data-t="234.

4">out of the podcasting world that has become the most important. Part of the shared experiences and <span data-t="241.

4">community that you get. We have it on the Discord channel. It's, you know, I've met some of <span data-t="246.

9">the best friends I've ever had through all this. It's been absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 14:11

So I feel like you put out your vibe, you find your tribe. I don't think I <span data-t="256.

5">made that saying, but I really believe it. And that's that's what you do with a podcast. You <span data-t="260.

5">put out your, you know, it is your basic your vibe, it's it's your kind of ship that <span data-t="265.

0">you kind of take where you want, and people join, and you know, not everyone's gonna like it, <span data-t="269.

4">but the people that do, you you you get a real strong connection with them. And I think <span data-t="273.

7">that's what's so cool about podcasting. You really find your people, I believe, you know, and that's <span data-t="278.

6">that's what's so cool. Absolutely.

Speaker 14:39

It's a great community. The whole paranormal, I think, largely is a fantastic community. People get on, <span data-t="286.

2">we you know, we go on each other's shows, and we all just want to learn more and <span data-t="289.

6">and and hear other people's experiences. I think it's really cool, man.

Speaker 24:53

Completely agree. And that, and you know, there's a customer service element to it as well, because <span data-t="299.

4">you know, for people that feel alone who have had these experiences, and they don't want to be <span data-t="305.

5">branded as crazy or strange or weird, and this provides at least an outlet to let them know <span data-t="312.

3">that hey, you're not alone. A lot of other people have had this. You know, I normally come <span data-t="318.

5">at this from the much darker experience that people can have, whether it be the infernal or <span data-t="325.

7">something along those lines. Yeah, I mean, it's there are all kinds. So you mentioned that you <span data-t="333.

4">have your you've had your own paranormal experience. I would love to hear more about that.

Speaker 15:39

Yeah, there's been quite a few to be honest, over the years. It's weird because when I <span data-t="343.

2">started Let's Get Freaky, I kind of thought about all the experiences that I had, and I never <span data-t="347.

6">saw myself as someone that has a lot of experiences until I started talking about it, and then <span data-t="353.

0">I realized oh I have had quite a lot weird. I've had quite a lot of experiences. I <span data-t="359.

0">have to say, my experiences normally not I know in the in the paranormal world there's this <span data-t="364.

2">thing about you know this stuff being positive and you know the other side where this stuff is <span data-t="368.

6">negative. I'm kind of in the middle, you know. I don't I don't want to say it's all <span data-t="372.

6">negative, and I don't want to say it's all positive either. What I've what I've experienced has <span data-t="377.

1">largely been terrifying, to be honest. You know, it doesn't it's not there has been good things <span data-t="382.

5">that have happened, don't get me wrong, but a lot of what I the paranormal I have experienced, <span data-t="386.

6">I've been scared, you know. It's not been a comfortable, joyful experience. So it kind of starts <span data-t="392.

2">from the beginning, really, when I was a little kid, you know, I was very much I've always <span data-t="396.

2">been fascinated with the topic since since I can remember, since I've you know start could start <span data-t="400.

6">watching TV and taking stuff in. But I was always a little bit interested before I even really <span data-t="405.

5">knew what it was. And that's only by what my mum tells me stuff that I used to <span data-t="409.

2">come out with things when I was little that were a little bit strange. I had imaginary friends, <span data-t="412.

7">which I'm not saying is paranormal, but sometimes it can be linked with the paranormal. I was <span data-t="417.

4">always very scared of the dark, I've always had a natural fear of the dark, which I still <span data-t="420.

9">have to this day. I'm still very scared of the dark, I'm not afraid to admit it. Um <span data-t="425.

5">if my wife's not with me at home, I'll have a light on or I'll have a TV on.

I can't be in the dark on my own to this day because of what I've experienced. <span data-t="434.

8">So it really started when I was I was around, you know, five, six, seven, eight, nine. I <span data-t="440.

4">was that kind of age. We lived in a haunted house. Classic haunted house stuff, you know, you'd <span data-t="445.

0">hear something walking around at night when everyone was in bed, you would get that feeling that <span data-t="448.

9">something was watching you all the time, things used to go missing. The whole family felt it, <span data-t="453.

8">but we never really talked about it until later on. While we whilst we were living at the <span data-t="457.

8">house, it wasn't something we discussed, and me and my brother were very young as well, so you <span data-t="461.

7">know, my mum and dad didn't want to scare us, but we grew up in a house which <span data-t="465.

4">had that vibe, you know, that vibe that something wasn't something was there, something was there, and <span data-t="470.

4">there was a few big standout moments which kind of made it very real for me. So me <span data-t="475.

0">and my brother was a very old house or not particularly, no. That was a thing as well. <span data-t="479.

9">It wasn't a particularly old house. I mean, we was from Brentwood in Essex, which is a very, <span data-t="484.

2">you know, old uh old uh town in in Essex in the UK. I know everything's pretty old <span data-t="489.

4">in the UK, but you know, there was a lot a lot of history there, you know, which <span data-t="493.

5">I didn't really find out until recently. You know, there were there was witch trials there and <span data-t="497.

1">all sorts of things that happened there. The house itself wasn't particularly old. It was sitting behind <span data-t="502.

4">a forest. I mean Brentwood was a whole it was a forest at one point, but you know, <span data-t="507.

5">it was very close to a graveyard. The house was very near to a graveyard as well. We <span data-t="511.

8">do believe as well that the the house that we the house, the couple that lived in the <span data-t="516.

5">house before, we believed that the man died. He died in the house. We're not 100% sure of <span data-t="521.

8">that, but we believe that's possible. But there was just this weird energy in the house, you <span data-t="526.

5">know, that we all felt that we didn't really talk about until we left. But me and my <span data-t="529.

8">brother shared a bedroom and we had bunk beds. Again, I was I was I was a terrible <span data-t="535.

0">sleeper as a kid. So if I woke up during the night and the light wasn't on, and <span data-t="539.

2">even if the light was on, I would still get up and try and get in bed with <span data-t="542.

1">my mum and dad. And this was a problem, it was a problem for mum and dad, because <span data-t="545.

7">I did it every night pretty much. Uh I was about 10 years old when this this happened, <span data-t="550.

5">and this was this is probably the this is maybe one of the big reasons why I do <span data-t="555.

0">a paranormal podcast because it kind of set me off on this, you know, this is this is <span data-t="559.

0">the the the memory that I'll never be able to get rid of. This was the night. So <span data-t="563.

3">I mean my brother were sharing a room. I was on the top bunk and I woke up <span data-t="567.

8">one night and all the lights were off in our bedroom, but you could kind of see the <span data-t="571.

7">street lights were coming in, so that you could you could make out the layout of the room. <span data-t="575.

2">So I woke up, and anyway, I I panicked when I wake up during the night when I <span data-t="579.

0">was a kid, and I've looked down at my desk, which was in the corner of my room, <span data-t="583.

4">and there was a man sitting there at the desk. A full-bodied man. Now I've just screamed, you <span data-t="589.

3">know. I'm not even thinking ghosts at this point. There was just a man in my room. And <span data-t="594.

2">he wasn't see-through or anything like that. This was a full, it was just a there was a <span data-t="598.

1">man in my room. You know, the weird thing is this kind of guy, this this guy looked <span data-t="602.

2">like William Shakespeare. That was the kind of look this guy had. Yeah. He had long brown hair, <span data-t="606.

6">he had a brown beard, you know, he had a brown suit on, and he was kind of <span data-t="610.

2">sitting there with his head in his fist, looking in my kind of direction. He didn't, he didn't <span data-t="614.

7">move when I when I acknowledged him, you know, when I was screaming and shouting. He didn't <span data-t="619.

4">change his facial expressions, as far as I can remember. He was just didn't move. But he was <span data-t="624.

2">solid, but he was absolutely there. And I'm screaming, my mum's come in the room, and I was <span data-t="630.

0">just I was I was a mess. I'm pointing to the corner of the room saying, There's a <span data-t="633.

2">man, there's a man in my room, there's a man in my room, and she's trying to calm <span data-t="636.

2">me down. She can't see this man. So she's saying, There's no man in your room, it's fine. <span data-t="640.

6">Calm, like calming me down. But I was I was hysterical, I was a mess.

Speaker 210:44

And she's gone over to when she was in the room. Could you still see him? I <span data-t="647.

9">could still see him.

Speaker 110:48

He didn't move, he was exactly the same. And my mum's gone over to the corner of <span data-t="652.

7">the corner of the room where he was, and I can't tell you if she's gone through him <span data-t="656.

3">or anything like that. I just didn't take that in. I don't know if she did, but she <span data-t="660.

6">she couldn't see him. So she he to her, to her, he wasn't there. But she came back <span data-t="666.

2">to me and she was like, she's she got a little bit angry. She was like, You are <span data-t="669.

2">staying in your room tonight because they were going through a phase of trying to make me stay <span data-t="673.

1">in my room. So somehow, after me begging to get out of a room and my mum saying <span data-t="677.

9">no, and I do say this every time I share this story, my mum apologizes to this day. <span data-t="682.

6">To this day, she will listen to this podcast, she listens to every show that I do, and <span data-t="686.

7">she apologizes every time. But I kind of say it's it's fine now, mum. It's a long time ago.

I'm over it. It's good, it's probably why I do the podcast, so don't worry, it's meant <span data-t="696.

7">to be. Anyway, I I've gone under the covers and I just remember sweating. I was I was <span data-t="702.

0">honestly terrified by it. So much fear, as you can imagine. And I'm sweating up, I was crying, <span data-t="707.

8">I was just a mess. And I just kept looking, and this dude was there. He didn't vanish, <span data-t="712.

6">he didn't change, but it was like as solid as me and you. It wasn't like I'm seeing <span data-t="717.

4">a poster in my room and I'm making out something. This this it was it was there, you know.

And this this went on all night. I was just under my covers, looking, you know, it <span data-t="728.

1">went on for quite a while. Somehow I fell asleep, woke up the next morning. This the dude <span data-t="733.

1">was gone, and I never saw that particular entity ghost, whatever you want to call it. I never <span data-t="739.

3">saw it ever again. But from that moment on, I was like, you know, this this stuff is <span data-t="745.

0">is 100% real. You know, I'd had experiences before, saw a lot of weird things when I was <span data-t="749.

6">a kid, but nothing quite as definite as that moment. And for me, it kind of changed everything, <span data-t="753.

9">you know.

Speaker 212:34

I can imagine why. That is a formative experience to put it in the leads to work.

Speaker 112:40

Mm-hmm. Well, absolutely, absolutely, man. And people say, Oh, you you might have been dreaming. I wasn't <span data-t="766.

7">dreaming. You know, my mum remembers coming in that room that night to this day, she remembers <span data-t="770.

9">me having that freak out and going, you know, crazy and her trying to make me stay in <span data-t="775.

8">the room. I s I could see him. He wasn't and and it wasn't as if I was <span data-t="779.

2">seeing things every night like that. That that's the only time I would say I've seen something <span data-t="783.

5">for that long, that clear, you know. And if it was my imagination, I'm pretty sure I would <span data-t="788.

6">s have seen a lot more. I did see other stuff in the house, but I would have <span data-t="792.

2">thought that would be a much more common thing if my imagination was that good. This was real, <span data-t="796.

4">you know, and it was no doubt in my mind. And my brother, who's a bit more skeptical <span data-t="800.

8">than me, but you know, he does, he's but he's one of those. He's one of those that <span data-t="803.

7">are telling you, he's not sure, but he's had experiences in exactly the same spot in that in <span data-t="808.

7">that room. I'm not sure if it was after or before my experience or after, but in the <span data-t="813.

2">same area, he woke up one night and he wasn't as scared as me of the dark and <span data-t="818.

2">stuff, but he he woke up and he saw two red eyes in the same area that I <span data-t="822.

6">saw the man, and he said these two red eyes were just floating towards him and then they <span data-t="827.

3">just disappeared. And that that was what he saw in the house. That was his like visual. He, <span data-t="832.

3">you know, if you ask him today, he'll say, I might have been dreaming, you know. Which he <span data-t="836.

4">might, I'm not saying he wasn't, but I think he had that experience, and it was in the <span data-t="840.

4">same area that I saw the man, and I'm not sure that I would have shared, I don't <span data-t="844.

1">know if I did talk about that experience with him when when we were kids, you know, he <span data-t="847.

9">was very young as well, so I don't know, but uh yeah. That was that was kind of <span data-t="852.

9">like the first big experience for me.

Speaker 214:15

Red eyes is ooh, that's a bad sign.

Speaker 114:19

Never normally good.

Speaker 214:20

No, you don't ever hear red eyes and then balloons.

Speaker 114:24

No, yeah, red eyes are never normally a good thing.

Speaker 214:27

So what other experiences did you have in that particular house?

Speaker 114:30

So another another big standout experience, this was during the day when I was in my mum <span data-t="876.

4">and dad's bedroom, and my mum and dad had like mirrors in their room and I was just <span data-t="882.

6">dancing and being silly in front of their mirrors. Don't know why. Something I do still do to <span data-t="887.

4">this day, actually. And I was dancing in front of the mirrors and I was being silly, and <span data-t="891.

9">I remember seeing like I don't know if I saw it in the mirror, I think I saw <span data-t="896.

4">it in the mirror, and then I I turn and kind of see this naked woman again, full <span data-t="901.

0">body it wasn't like seen from anything, full bodied entity, wherever it was. It was like a <span data-t="905.

4">blonde naked lady, right? And it was just walking past me, and I followed it, and it's gone <span data-t="911.

0">into my mum and dad's bathroom that they had in their bedroom, and I followed this naked lady <span data-t="915.

8">into my mum and dad's bathroom. Now I thought it was my mum because she was blonde and <span data-t="920.

2">she would sometimes walk around the house naked, so it wasn't uncommon for her to do that. So <span data-t="924.

6">I'm just talking to her. Mum, I just started talking to her, fully believing that she's just <span data-t="929.

8">walked into the bathroom, so I followed her in, saying whatever I'm saying, walked into the bathroom, <span data-t="934.

6">but there was no one there. And I just remember being like, What the heck? She's disappeared, <span data-t="939.

3">and just being so confused, yeah, and then it kind of hit me that I've seen something <span data-t="944.

6">paranormal, and I kind of ran downstairs and my mum was there fully clothed in the kitchen, and <span data-t="950.

6">I was like, Mum, did you just walk past me in the bedroom? Obviously, she didn't, and she <span data-t="954.

2">was like, Oh, I've been here, I've been here for ages. What are you talking about? Again, that <span data-t="958.

2">was another I wasn't again, I wasn't thinking ghost or anything like that. I was just sort of <span data-t="962.

1">in the moment playing in my in my mum and dad's bedroom, and I seen this full-bodied lady, <span data-t="970.

1">and it was like and and since because I I've always just you know kind of thought something <span data-t="974.

7">that looked like my mum. People have said possibly a doppelganger, you know, trying to trick me <span data-t="979.

5">into I don't know, I don't know what it is, I don't know what it was, but all <span data-t="982.

8">I can tell you it was like solid, it had blonde hair, it was a naked lady, and <span data-t="986.

9">I literally followed it into Mumad's bathroom and walked in thinking it was my mum, talking away <span data-t="992.

3">to my mum, and it wasn't there, it's very strange, man.

Speaker 216:35

That is bizarre.

Speaker 116:36

Yeah.

Speaker 216:38

Wow. Did so beyond you and occasionally your brother, did your parents have any experiences there? <span data-t="1008.

8">They only experience like the weird noises, they experience the feeling, you know.

Speaker 116:53

There was a feeling of like, I don't know, when you go into some of these places <span data-t="1017.

0">that are haunted, you can feel it. You know, there's there's an energy, and they they said <span data-t="1021.

4">that that that was that was their experiences there. I know my mum and dad both have <span data-t="1026.

4">had paranormal experiences, they're both very open to the paranormal, you know, believe in the supernatural. <span data-t="1031.

4">So it it's not strange for them to to hear these experiences. They weren't sort of parents <span data-t="1036.

2">that used to say, no, this is not real, you know. But we never really talked about <span data-t="1040.

8">it at the time. And we didn't talk about it too much when we left. But I <span data-t="1043.

9">remember when we left the house when I was 12, I remember my dad saying, Oh I'm <span data-t="1048.

8">glad we got that house. There's something wasn't right there. Something wasn't right. I remember him <span data-t="1053.

0">saying that. And then obviously as we got a little bit older, we talked about it more, <span data-t="1056.

7">you know. And there was we had good times in that house, don't get me wrong, it <span data-t="1060.

3">wasn't always negative, it wasn't always but there there was there was something, there was something <span data-t="1066.

0">there, you know. There was there was there was it was haunted. I'd love to talk to <span data-t="1069.

7">the people that live there now just to know if they experience the same sort of stuff, <span data-t="1073.

6">you know.

Speaker 217:54

I know what you mean. I I grew up in a haunted house as well, and there <span data-t="1078.

8">is a sense of being weighed down or oppressed all the way throughout, and it's not until <span data-t="1085.

2">you leave that situation do you feel that being lifted from your shoulders. Yeah. It's the biggest <span data-t="1090.

9">relief in the entire world.

Speaker 118:12

Absolutely, man. Absolutely. I remember the first night in the new house that we went into, <span data-t="1098.

3">and this is I I thought about this because it was like it was a big deal. So <span data-t="1102.

5">we moved into this new house, and me and my brother did eventually have a room again <span data-t="1106.

9">together as we got a little bit older. We had like the the upstairs we had like <span data-t="1110.

6">our own little flat in the house. But when we first moved to the house, we had <span data-t="1114.

2">our own rooms, you know, and I remember being in my new bedroom on the first night, <span data-t="1120.

2">and we didn't have any curtains up because we just moved in, so the room wasn't really ready.

You know, we just had boxes and it was just my bed. And I remember being in <span data-t="1128.

0">this new room, laying in my bed, and it was quite bright because the street lights were <span data-t="1132.

6">coming in, so I could see everything. But I remember not being scared and thinking, This is weird.

Why am I not scared? I'm in a new house, I'm laying in bed, and I'm not <span data-t="1142.

2">scared. And that and that for me that was weird, you know. And I was still I <span data-t="1146.

0">d I did eventually have experiences in that house as well as I got a little bit <span data-t="1149.

2">older, but um I wasn't scared for like the first night, which I found very strange, you <span data-t="1154.

8">know, it stood out to me as a 12-year-old.

Speaker 219:17

That's really telling. You know, it's weird though, we share a fear of the dark in common.

Not anymore, but when I was growing up, I thought that if I was because I I've <span data-t="1169.

8">always had really horrendous eyesight, and I knew that if I fell asleep in the dark, I <span data-t="1175.

9">would go blind. I don't know why. I would but I had to have a night light on, <span data-t="1180.

4">had to have something, because otherwise, yeah, I would be uncolable until So I I feel you're <span data-t="1188.

5">paid on that one.

Speaker 119:50

I'm still scared of the dark now. I honestly, if I if my wife's away, I can't <span data-t="1194.

9">be in a dark room. If I'm in a hotel somewhere on my own, I have to have <span data-t="1198.

4">a light on or a telly normally a telly, normally the telly on, because I can't just <span data-t="1202.

4">sleep in the pitch black. I'm just I've seen too much weird stuff. I just don't want <span data-t="1206.

8">to wake up and face something, you know, which I have, and that that's happened again as <span data-t="1210.

7">I've got older. It's happened in this house, to be honest. I can go into that in <span data-t="1214.

3">a bit. But I've I've where you wake up and you see something there, it's terrifying, man, <span data-t="1218.

8">because it's you're very vulnerable. Even when you wake up and your kid's standing at the end <span data-t="1222.

9">of the bed, it's still scary because you know you're in that moment when that happens as well.

Speaker 220:30

What have you ever had an experience in which you felt genuinely threatened?

Speaker 120:36

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 220:37

Oh god, yeah.

Speaker 120:38

So when I was 21, and this was in the house that we moved into, so this <span data-t="1242.

6">is sort of jumping a little bit, but not too much happened in that house. I feel <span data-t="1247.

0">like I went through a period where maybe I did, but I don't really remember anything stand <span data-t="1252.

2">out other than a UFO experience that I can tell you about. But I so I was 21, <span data-t="1257.

4">I was at university at the time, and I used to live in at uni throughout the <span data-t="1263.

2">week, Monday to Friday, and then come home on Friday, stay there till Sunday. And I was <span data-t="1267.

8">I'm a bit of a homeboy, so I used to like coming home. And I was at <span data-t="1271.

4">university in London as well, so it wasn't actually that far from where I'm from. So I <span data-t="1275.

8">used to go back to Essex every every weekend. And this was at the time me and <span data-t="1279.

7">my brother had our like our own little flat upstairs in this in the house. And so <span data-t="1284.

1">I was 21 at the time. Wasn't when this happened, I wasn't aware too much of like <span data-t="1288.

8">I I was into the paranormal, you know, but I I didn't really know as much as <span data-t="1292.

5">I do now, obviously. And I was laying in bed and I woke up and there was the <span data-t="1297.

3">shape of a man standing over my bed. Right, just like a shadow figure, darker than the <span data-t="1302.

2">dark, you know, it was literally that. It was just the shape of a man, it was <span data-t="1305.

7">it was already a very dark room, but there was the shape of a man there. Now <span data-t="1310.

1">I thought it was my brother. I thought my brother's playing a trick on me, he's he's <span data-t="1314.

2">standing over me while I'm sleeping at night, really freaked me out. Right. And I was I <span data-t="1318.

0">was terrified, I was like, it was like shape. And I've just tried to punch my brother. <span data-t="1322.

6">I'm thinking it's my brother. And I've kind of gone through this thing. And I've obviously made <span data-t="1327.

4">a bit of a noise as I've done this because on the other side of the room my <span data-t="1330.

5">brother turned his side light on. And he was like, Bro, what's the matter? What's the matter? <span data-t="1335.

1">What's going on? What's going on? And I was like, I thought you were standing over me. <span data-t="1338.

5">Definitely something was standing over me. Now at the time I didn't know too much about shadow <span data-t="1342.

6">figures and things like that. I'd obviously I'm into ghosts and I used to watch ghost shows <span data-t="1346.

7">and stuff, but shadow figures weren't discussed, I don't think, when I was 21, like they are now.

Like most people see shadow figures and stuff like that and openly talk about that now. <span data-t="1356.

9">I didn't really know a lot about it back then, so I never really put it down <span data-t="1360.

3">to a shadow figure. It wasn't until talking to more people and looking into the subject that <span data-t="1364.

3">I was like, you know, I've had that. I've woke up and seen something that's darker than <span data-t="1368.

2">the dark in the room. And so when me and my brother shared a room, we would <span data-t="1371.

8">watch telly and it would we'd go to sleep with the telly on and it would just <span data-t="1375.

5">turn itself off and we'd wake up in the morning. But on this occasion, I've woke up, <span data-t="1379.

8">there's something standing over me. Now at the time I sort of put it down as well <span data-t="1383.

4">to I was like tired at university and maybe had a few too many beers that week <span data-t="1387.

8">at university. That's what I kind of put it down to and stress, and I kind of <span data-t="1393.

2">not forgot about it, but put it to the back of my mind, and it wasn't until <span data-t="1396.

0">later I was like, I woke up and there was the shape of a man standing over my <span data-t="1399.

7">bed. And it was I was terrified, but it was a real fear. But that's happened in <span data-t="1404.

5">this house where I've woken up and there's been the shape of someone standing there. You know, <span data-t="1408.

6">I've had it a few times. But you say, Yeah, yeah, you say that's that's why I <span data-t="1413.

6">don't like the dark man. That's why I really do not really that's why I really do <span data-t="1417.

6">not uh so so you say about being attacked. There was a spell in this house where <span data-t="1425.

2">we're in now where I was getting very worried because it wasn't just me, the whole family <span data-t="1430.

9">was experiencing negativity in this house. You know, my wife with kids were seeing stuff and hearing <span data-t="1436.

2">stuff, and it was like it got to the point where my wife said, You need to <span data-t="1439.

6">stop doing this paranormal podcast. And I was like, Oh god, I love it, I love doing <span data-t="1443.

6">it, man. But it was it was was scary, and I you know, I used to pray out <span data-t="1447.

7">loud, and that kind of stopped it. But there was a period where you know I did <span data-t="1451.

8">think, oh, maybe I do have to stop talking about this stuff because I do think when <span data-t="1455.

0">you talk about it, you do invite it as well a little bit, and you have got to <span data-t="1458.

0">be very cautious.

Speaker 224:18

Yeah, that is absolutely the case.

Speaker 124:20

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 224:22

So beyond just experiences, have you had any other negative things that have impacted your life <span data-t="1472.

9">because of your podcast? What in what unparanor? It could be health-related issues.

Speaker 124:41

No, I wouldn't I wouldn't say so. I think I think when I started Let's Get Freaky, <span data-t="1486.

3">I did start experiencing some paranormal to be honest. And I was thinking, man, am I is <span data-t="1490.

6">it because I'm thinking about this stuff all the time and having these conversations? You know, am <span data-t="1494.

5">I inviting it inviting it in? Which I do think you can do. I do think you <span data-t="1498.

6">have to be careful with this kind of stuff. It is fun, it is entertaining, it is <span data-t="1503.

2">enjoyable to hear scary stories and get scared, but there is a danger to it as well. <span data-t="1508.

2">And I I respect that you have to be you have to be careful, and and I <span data-t="1512.

4">everyone's got different ways of kind of looking looking after themselves. Mine is is I pray, and <span data-t="1517.

6">and for me that that works. You know, I know everyone's different. Some people like to sage <span data-t="1522.

4">their house and stuff like that, and absolutely fine. I think what works for you, you should do.

That's what I think. Um and yeah, so I do I I wouldn't say I did go <span data-t="1532.

2">through a spell where there was a lot going on in this house, and I was thinking, <span data-t="1536.

3">you know, what am I doing basically? I don't know if I should be playing with this <span data-t="1540.

8">stuff because there was a lot of weird stuff happening. You know, there was a there was <span data-t="1544.

2">a, for example, there was one night where I kind of woke up. There was quite a <span data-t="1549.

0">few different things that took place quite close together in this house. I've got to be honest, <span data-t="1553.

3">it's kind of stopped. There's the odd little thing that happens every now and again, but you <span data-t="1557.

5">know, there was there was a spell where it was getting pretty intense for about six months <span data-t="1561.

6">or whatever it was. And one night I woke up and I thought my wife was sitting <span data-t="1565.

3">up crying. Like I could see the shape of her sitting up crying, and I kind of <span data-t="1569.

8">went, baby, okay, what's the matter? And I put my hands like on her back to see, <span data-t="1574.

6">like, you know, just to comfort her. And I kind of went through her, looked down, and <span data-t="1579.

0">she was sound asleep. And I was just like, you know, just confused. And I mean, you <span data-t="1583.

7">can argue that you know, I was I was in a sleep state, I woke up, but I <span data-t="1587.

4">don't know, that that was very strange. You know, and there's been other times where I've woke <span data-t="1590.

7">up and there's been a shape of something there. I that is the worst for me. You <span data-t="1594.

5">know, I hate that. It's happened a few times.

Speaker 226:38

There was absolutely terrifying, yeah. I mean, to I've I've suffered from night terrors my entire <span data-t="1607.

8">life, and it's only been within the last two years have those calmed down thanks to some <span data-t="1613.

4">protective measures that I have taken. But yeah, I mean, to to have nightmares literally come to <span data-t="1622.

3">life and stand over you as you're sleeping. I can't imagine anything worse than that.

Speaker 127:08

Oh man, yeah. It is obviously it's it's terrifying when it happens. You know, it hasn't <span data-t="1633.

8">happened for a while. Touch wood, you know, I don't want it to happen. Um I've had <span data-t="1637.

8">enough paranormal to to know that it's real. You know, I don't want any more. There was <span data-t="1643.

0">there was a night where me and my wife were watching uh it was like a love <span data-t="1646.

9">show on Netflix. One of these lady shows my wife wanted to watch. I was watching it, <span data-t="1652.

0">Love Island or whatever it's called. And we're watching this show and it sounds like a joke, <span data-t="1657.

6">but we heard really loud, it like lit the room up. Like a like a like a <span data-t="1663.

8">cartoon ghost. You know, like if you're watching a cartoon and there's a ghost, it was like <span data-t="1667.

5">that, and it lit the room up. I'm like, what the heck? And this was actually the <span data-t="1671.

2">moment my wife looked at me and went, You need to stop doing this paranormal podcast. That <span data-t="1675.

4">was the moment, and I was like, I can't. You know, we weren't too scared, we were <span data-t="1680.

1">just shocked. And I checked the house, you know, it wasn't anything, you know, it was in <span data-t="1684.

3">the room, it sounded like it was in the room. We stopped the show we were watching, <span data-t="1688.

1">we were around the show, watched it again just to see if it was on the show <span data-t="1691.

8">that we were watching. It might have been on the show. It wasn't bizarre. Uh what the <span data-t="1696.

0">heck was that? No idea what that was. There was, you know, uh one night I've just <span data-t="1699.

9">finished doing the podcast, and I finish about normally about three o'clock in the morning, four o'clock <span data-t="1704.

5">in the morning, and I can never go straight to bed after doing a podcast. I have <span data-t="1708.

3">to have a cup of tea and you know, watch telly for a bit and calm down. I <span data-t="1711.

7">went downstairs making myself a cup of tea, and I'm in the kitchen, and I wasn't particularly <span data-t="1716.

5">thinking anything paranormal or anything like that, and I heard Dad like very clear, like that. And <span data-t="1723.

8">I've turned around expecting one of my kids to be there, no one there, and I was <span data-t="1727.

8">like, man, what the heck was that? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, man. And there was <span data-t="1733.

1">a there was a few different things like this happening in this house. The thing that happened <span data-t="1736.

7">with my kids that really was worrying. So there was it was it was a Saturday night, <span data-t="1741.

1">and I've got two daughters and a son, and my wife and my two daughters were having <span data-t="1746.

2">a girl's night in the front room. They were like watching galley movies and having a girl's <span data-t="1750.

3">night, and they were all gonna sleep downstairs. And me and Fred, my boy, we were gonna <span data-t="1753.

8">sleep in my room, right? So they're downstairs, I'm upstairs, I had the hallway, the hallway light on.

Because as I say, my wife's not there, I'm a wimp. The lights on. So I'm I'm <span data-t="1765.

0">not really sleeping. Fred's asleep, and I'm laying there. Fred, he was, I think he was four <span data-t="1769.

4">when this happened. Yeah, I think he was four. I'm laying there and he's sat up. Now <span data-t="1774.

2">he was asleep, so you can again he was in like a sleep mode. He sat up, he <span data-t="1779.

0">pointed to the door, and he went, Amy, Amy's my oldest daughter. And I went, Well, you <span data-t="1783.

2">saw Amy, Fred. He went, Yeah, Amy's just explaining that Amy just walked by. He might have <span data-t="1786.

7">been five, four or five. And I was like, that's weird. Why is he saying that? Because <span data-t="1789.

8">I've checked, I've checked the room. Amy's still downstairs. Amy's my oldest daughter, she's still downstairs <span data-t="1794.

8">with my wife. I said, Oh, that's weird. I said, Fred, what did you see, mate? And <span data-t="1798.

5">he went, I saw Amy, and it this was his words, she was all brown. I was like, <span data-t="1803.

4">what the heck? You know, and I'm yeah. For me, that was enough. We were downstairs with <span data-t="1808.

3">the girls. I was like, We're joining the girls' night. I'm not standing up here anymore. So <span data-t="1812.

1">I took him downstairs and we all slept downstairs that night. Didn't think too I kind of <span data-t="1816.

2">didn't think too much of it. That same week, so we didn't tell my daughters about this <span data-t="1820.

9">or anything like that. We I don't promote the paranormal to my kids, you know, I don't <span data-t="1824.

7">try and push them for experiences or anything like that. You know, they do have weird stuff <span data-t="1828.

7">happens that they tell us, but I don't push it and I don't like want them to <span data-t="1832.

5">have weird experiences. So it wasn't something we talked about. That very same week. So I finish <span data-t="1837.

6">at work one o'clock in the morning, UK time, so everyone's normally asleep when I get home. <span data-t="1842.

6">I've got home and and uh one of the lights is on in the house. I was like, <span data-t="1845.

9">that's strange. I opened the door, and my middle daughter Ruby is sitting at the top of <span data-t="1850.

2">the stairs. And I said, Ruby, what's the matter? What's the matter? And she was a little <span data-t="1853.

1">bit scared, and she said, Daddy, mummy said I can sleep in your room tonight. I saw <span data-t="1857.

6">Amy walk past, and she described exactly basically what Fred saw the same week. She she saw <span data-t="1864.

3">the same thing, and it wasn't Amy. Amy didn't walk past that spot and it really scared her.

So that kind of happened as well with the kids where they started seeing stuff. I <span data-t="1872.

7">was like, man, you know, this is it it felt threatening, it it didn't feel nice. I <span data-t="1877.

9">just prayed out loud, you know, and I was praying out loud, and you know, as I <span data-t="1882.

3">say, it kind of stopped. You know, it was getting quite intense and it stopped, thankfully.

Speaker 231:26

But yeah, it wasn't it was you say that you pray, there is there any particular prayers <span data-t="1892.

6">that you pray? Is it just free form? Just freeform, really.

Speaker 131:36

I'm I'm a Christian. I've always been I've always been Christian since I was since I <span data-t="1900.

5">recommend since day one, basically, you know. I don't go to church every week, I'm not the <span data-t="1908.

1">strongest Christian, you know, it's just something that I've always been, and uh that was it. I <span data-t="1912.

0">was like, you know, in Jesus' name, you're not welcoming his house, please live and for me <span data-t="1916.

4">that works, you know. That works it's kind of made me closer to my life, I would <span data-t="1923.

7">say, you know, seeing that work. Yeah.

Speaker 232:07

Anything anything of the spiritual world approaches you, of course, it's gonna enclosure. Benedict metals, uh <span data-t="1947.

3">prayers. I've had a ton of bad experiences when I w while I've been doing this show <span data-t="1956.

1">and I've had to take precautions. Japanese emoti charms for protection against evil.

Speaker 132:47

And this was my first gift when I was a kid. It was the first ever gift <span data-t="1972.

4">that I had when I was older. Yeah, it's always every show I do is there, man. <span data-t="1976.

9">You know, it just helps you. It makes me feel protected and I think I think it <span data-t="1981.

0">works, you know. And I think that as well. Yeah. Because it's not many is is fun <span data-t="1986.

3">as I say. But there is a dangerous idea to it as well. And I do think we're <span data-t="1989.

6">constantly attacked, I don't think it's something that will go away. You know, I think it could <span data-t="1993.

7">happen at any time and you've just got to be ready for it, you know. Before it <span data-t="1996.

8">does escalate, you know, because these things can escalate as well.

Speaker 233:19

It can, especially if you're dealing with something that goes from the paranormal into the pert natural.

That's when things get really bloody scary. So while you've had any of these experiences, have <span data-t="2017.

5">you had a witness with you? Has there been someone else who could actually verify that yes, <span data-t="2022.

4">this actually happened?

Speaker 133:44

The stuff that happened really in the house, you know, a lot of the stuff we all <span data-t="2028.

2">experienced. My wife experienced it as well. You know, hearing me another thing that happened, she heard <span data-t="2033.

9">me call her name whilst I was at work, you know. And this wasn't she wasn't asleep <span data-t="2039.

0">when it happened. Yeah. That's happened twice when she's actually heard me say her name whilst I've <span data-t="2046.

2">not been here. So we've all experienced the same but actually being with someone when I've had <span data-t="2051.

8">an experience, I'm trying to think of the UFO experiences. I've I've seen weird things in the <span data-t="2057.

1">sky, and it's normally been with someone as well. Um yeah, I'm gonna share them.

Speaker 234:25

Yeah, I uh anything you have to share. I I am absolutely riveted, so yeah, please.

Speaker 134:32

So when I was 14, this is the first kind of UFO experience I would say. I <span data-t="2077.

1">was 14 years old. Me and my brother and our friends used to play like football in <span data-t="2082.

1">the street every summer, every all actually all year round. Summer, winter, we was always in the <span data-t="2088.

0">street playing football. But this took place during the summer on a beautiful day, uh, when the <span data-t="2092.

3">sky was clear, you know, we were all just playing football. And this this is weird because <span data-t="2096.

9">this is quite a big experience, really, when I tell you this. But we kind of I <span data-t="2101.

6">kind of not forgot this, but the memory for some reason just I'll explain. So we're we're <span data-t="2106.

3">playing football, and I don't know if it was me, my brother, or one of our friends <span data-t="2109.

7">said, What is that in the sky? Right? We've all stopped and we're looking at this object <span data-t="2113.

4">in the sky, and it's gonna sound wild, but this is this is what it was. If <span data-t="2117.

9">you if you took like like a building from Dubai, you know, like those funky shaped kind <span data-t="2122.

9">of buildings, right? Picked it up, plopped it in the sky, and just let it flow, that <span data-t="2128.

5">is what we saw. It's very high up in the sky, but that is basically, you know, <span data-t="2132.

3">that is how I can describe it to you. It's orange and silver, and it was just <span data-t="2136.

3">this like very rectangle shape, but strange shapes. There was like weird patterns coming off it and <span data-t="2141.

5">stuff, but it was just there in the sky, it wasn't moving, it wasn't changing direction or <span data-t="2145.

9">anything, it was just still in the sky. And we're watching this thing, and we're like, is <span data-t="2149.

5">it a balloon? And I what is it? Is it a plane? It wasn't a plane, it wasn't <span data-t="2152.

9">moving at all. Um, it wasn't a balloon, it wasn't a hot air balloon or anything like that.

This thing was just there, and it was it was like nothing I've seen really. I've <span data-t="2162.

3">not seen it, I've seen things close to it, but I've not ever seen exactly what we <span data-t="2167.

0">saw that day. I've never seen it, and it was just like bizarre, you know, it had <span data-t="2171.

0">very strange patterns on it. You know, I kind of I think as I remember this more, <span data-t="2175.

6">I've like added stuff on in my memory, if that makes sense. But I feel like I've <span data-t="2179.

4">added windows and stuff, but I don't think we couldn't see windows on this thing, right? It <span data-t="2183.

8">was too high up. But I feel like the more I'm thinking about it, the more I <span data-t="2187.

6">may be adding stuff to it. But there was no it seemed like there could be windows <span data-t="2192.

0">on this thing, but I can't say there was. But we're watching this thing for like 10, <span data-t="2195.

7">5, 10 minutes, and it really bugs me. But we just started playing football again. We didn't <span data-t="2200.

7">watch it disappear, didn't watch it fly away. I can't even tell you really how that day ended.

I can't tell you if we if we talked about it again that day or not, because <span data-t="2209.

8">me and my brother, as far as I'm aware, we didn't talk about it, which is quite <span data-t="2212.

9">weird because it was a very strange thing to see. So I started doing let's get skipping <span data-t="2217.

5">forward, started doing let's get freaky podcast, writing down all my experiences and thinking back of all <span data-t="2222.

3">the weird stuff I've experienced throughout my life and what my family's experienced and stuff like that. <span data-t="2227.

3">And this memory didn't come back to me, which I thought was quite weird because it was <span data-t="2231.

0">quite a big thing that we saw, and I'm really into UFOs and stuff, but I didn't <span data-t="2235.

5">think about it. And and I was talking to Kat Ward from Paranormal Heart Podcast, and really <span data-t="2241.

1">great lady, the first time I'd ever been on a podcast to share experiences, and I'm talking <span data-t="2246.

2">away, and we're talking away, and we're talking about UFOs, and this memory came back, and I <span data-t="2250.

6">was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna share it because I don't know, it's it's there. I shared <span data-t="2254.

7">the memory of Earth, we talked about it, and I was like, I've finished the podcast. I <span data-t="2258.

5">remember thinking, like, that's really weird that I've not remembered this. Because it was an incredible <span data-t="2263.

2">thing, you know. Why have I never thought about this again? How's this memory lost? Like, how <span data-t="2268.

1">can I not and then I started thinking, am I was that a weird dream? Have I <span data-t="2271.

6">just made that up? Have I which I really don't want to be that person that does <span data-t="2275.

2">that and starts sharing nonsense, you know? Right. But my brother rung me up a couple of <span data-t="2280.

3">days later, and he and it, you know, it it really made me feel better because he <span data-t="2285.

1">went, bro, like I really enjoyed listening and all this sort of stuff. And he went, I <span data-t="2288.

6">remember seeing that thing on that day, that UFO. What was it? And why have we never <span data-t="2293.

4">talked about it? And I was like, I'm so glad that you remember as well. Because I <span data-t="2297.

6">started doubting myself. I started thinking, oh, surely I would have remembered that. Why am I but <span data-t="2302.

3">where's that memory come from? Why was just so glad that he remembered it as well. Again, <span data-t="2306.

6">don't know what it was, you know, there's no but he remembers it, which was great for me.

That was enough for me to know that you know that memory's there, and it is <span data-t="2315.

0">there, that memory's there. It was just very strange how through those years we never discussed it. <span data-t="2319.

2">It was such an incredible thing to see.

Speaker 238:40

I can only begin to imagine, yeah. But you know, I've I witnessed something I can't <span data-t="2327.

4">explain in the sky with my grandmother, and beyond talking about it once or twice in the <span data-t="2335.

0">days following it, it never came up again. So I I can understand that, yeah. It stands <span data-t="2342.

7">out as a blip and then the blip disappears. And I don't know why that's the case, <span data-t="2349.

0">but it seems to be.

Speaker 139:10

Yeah, it is weird. It's weird. We put these memories, I don't know, we put them to <span data-t="2354.

5">the back of our mind, I don't know why. But there there's another one more recent. So <span data-t="2358.

4">when I was 27 years old, me and my wife, we had we had a flat in Brentwood, <span data-t="2362.

3">not too far away, actually, from where I saw the UFO when I was 14. It's just <span data-t="2367.

1">the other side of Brentwood, basically, which is a few miles down, it's not not that big, Brentwood.

And so we were on the full floor of a block of flats on the top floor, <span data-t="2377.

8">which was the fourth floor. And this again, so I was I saw this with someone else. <span data-t="2381.

8">So it was me and my mother-in-law, and we were just it was a lovely summer's day <span data-t="2385.

5">again, clear sky, blue sky, and we were just talking at the window, and we're chatting away, <span data-t="2390.

5">and then opposite the flats across the road, there's like a little forested area, and out of <span data-t="2395.

9">the forested area came these three objects, and we were both just talking away, and then we <span data-t="2399.

8">saw these three objects, and they weren't that big, they were like the size of a basketball, <span data-t="2404.

8">each of them, and they were kind of floating around each other, but not actually touching, but <span data-t="2409.

6">they were in kind of like a triangle formation, three of them, and they were like floating <span data-t="2414.

2">around each other, and all three of the balls were like constantly changing shape, they were like <span data-t="2419.

1">never the same shape, they were constantly changing, and they were always like something different going on.

There was always like a different shape, different pattern, and they were like kind of like <span data-t="2428.

3">you know, in the Terminator when he melts, and it's that silvery metallic look. That's the kind <span data-t="2433.

4">of look these things were. And me and my mother-in-law are watching this and we're talking about <span data-t="2436.

8">we're saying, What the heck is that? Are they balloons? Like, what are they? Uh we just <span data-t="2440.

6">could not make out what they were, but they were just moving in a very strange way, <span data-t="2445.

6">and they were kind of floating up, floating up, constantly moving, constantly changing shape. And we're <span data-t="2451.

3">watching these things for I don't know, five minutes, something like that, and they're going up and <span data-t="2455.

6">up and up, and they got really high up, and all of a sudden you just saw <span data-t="2459.

5">flash, flash, flash, and they all just shot off into the atmosphere. And and that was a <span data-t="2464.

3">moment where we're like, well, they definitely want balloons, because balloons don't do that. What the <span data-t="2469.

0">heck have we seen? You know, we've been to this day, you know, over ten years on <span data-t="2473.

4">now, we talk about it all the time. You know, every time we're at like a family <span data-t="2477.

7">party and the paranormal and UFOs comes up, we both we we we bring that up, and <span data-t="2482.

8">family members look at us and they're like, it sounds like balloons. But I don't trust me, <span data-t="2487.

8">they were not balloons. Balloons do not move like this, you know, they were very strange, and <span data-t="2492.

7">balloons don't just shoot off into the atmosphere. So again, I put that in the UFO UFO <span data-t="2497.

6">category, don't really know what it is, but just another weird experience in my life.

Speaker 241:44

That both of those are amazing encounters. I mean, I don't even know. Yeah, I don't <span data-t="2511.

0">typically go over UFOs just because it's I've only had one or two experiences myself, and I've <span data-t="2518.

5">never, yeah, I've always been fascinated with them. Like when I was growing up, my mom would <span data-t="2524.

1">buy me these high life series of books, and some of them were about dragons and wizards <span data-t="2531.

7">and other things, and then another whole set was around, you know, aliens and and uh extradimensional <span data-t="2539.

7">travel, and yeah, so I mean my interests have always ran that gambit as well. But yeah, <span data-t="2545.

8">for some reason I've I don't know, my education or something has made me focus more on <span data-t="2551.

3">one particular subset of issues than everything.

Speaker 142:36

There's so much to it, man. With UFOs, there's so much different possibilities, and there's a <span data-t="2561.

1">lot of different things going on that I think we put in the same category. You know, <span data-t="2564.

6">I think there's differ like the two big things that I've experienced where I saw the building <span data-t="2569.

4">shape thing in the sky and those orb-like things. I mean, there were two very different things <span data-t="2574.

6">that we we put in the same category. I think there's a lot of different things going <span data-t="2578.

4">on that we kind of call UFOs, but I think there could be like with cryptids and <span data-t="2582.

2">things like that. I think there's different versions of these things that we kind of put in <span data-t="2585.

8">the same box, if that makes sense. There's so much, there's so much to it, man. There <span data-t="2589.

9">really is. Wow. I've seen I've seen other weird stuff in the sky. Like lights that can't <span data-t="2594.

6">explain, and you know. I think for guys like us, we're always looking for it. And I <span data-t="2598.

8">think when you're looking for it and you're open to it, I think there's something to that.

Speaker 243:22

I think that's why we have so much weird stuff happening. Do you cover a lot of <span data-t="2606.

6">cryptid stuff as well?

Speaker 143:27

Yeah, I'm fascinated with cryptids. Bigfoot's a big reason why I do this. The hairy hands? <span data-t="2613.

9">I don't know. What's that?

Speaker 243:35

It's based in the UK, I believe. It's uh a particular road, and people will claim that <span data-t="2623.

2">as they're driving, the wheel is being the drive the driving wheel is being jerked in one <span data-t="2630.

0">direction or another, and it's caused several accidents. And then later people claim that it was a <span data-t="2635.

4">pair of hairy hands that wraps around the steering wheel. It's fascinating.

Speaker 144:00

Do you know what part of the UK that's in?

Speaker 244:02

I do not. It's been a long time since I even talked about it, but it's just <span data-t="2647.

6">the location kind of uh sprang to my mind. But yeah, I'll I'll look that up and <span data-t="2652.

2">I'll I'll send it to you offline. Yeah, I sound terrified, man. Give me one second here. <span data-t="2657.

7">No problem, brother. And I guess I'll wrap up by asking you how do you balance open-mindedness <span data-t="2664.

2">with skepticism? Because I'm I'm sure that you've talked with people from all walks of life, all <span data-t="2672.

2">places, and you've heard a lot of different things. But, you know, I've I've had interviews with <span data-t="2679.

4">people in which my my spidey sense was going off, and you know, otherwise I always try <span data-t="2685.

3">to be open and honest for people and want to believe what they have to say. But <span data-t="2689.

9">yeah, how do you achieve that right kind of balance for you?

Speaker 144:53

That's a good question, man. I mean, I I everyone I talk to, you know, I've got <span data-t="2697.

5">I've got this thing where I I trust everyone I talk to, man. Unless someone gives me <span data-t="2701.

7">a reason to doubt, which has never really happened, to be honest. You know, I'm sure people <span data-t="2706.

2">do come on the show and you know, maybe share false information. I don't know. I don't <span data-t="2710.

3">want to, I don't know. I hope not, obviously, but I pretty much I trust most everyone <span data-t="2716.

6">that I talk to, really. You know, I'm sure there are people that fabricate stories, of course, <span data-t="2721.

0">but personally I try and be more skeptical myself, you know, because I was always, especially when <span data-t="2726.

1">I started Let's Get Freaky podcast, you know, everything that happened in the house or everything that <span data-t="2731.

1">happened, I would always jump straight to the paranormal. That's paranormal, you know. And I'm trying to <span data-t="2736.

5">be a little bit more sceptical because not everything is paranormal, you know. There are sometimes logical <span data-t="2742.

0">explanations. I'm sure some of the experiences I've had sometimes maybe there is logical explanations. I'm <span data-t="2747.

9">not saying everything there's there's there's been enough for me to know that this stuff is real, <span data-t="2752.

2">but at the same time, I do jump, as I say, to the paranormal every time. Just <span data-t="2756.

6">try and stay open-minded. That's really my because we don't none of us really know what's going <span data-t="2761.

4">on in this world, you know, this crazy world, this supernatural world. All I all I know, <span data-t="2765.

7">that I say I know, all I can say really is that I do believe there is a <span data-t="2769.

9">lot going on around us that we can't see, and we sometimes get a glimpse of that. <span data-t="2773.

4">That's where I am with it, you know. I think it does kind of intertwine with our <span data-t="2777.

0">reality as well. But just I just try and stay open-minded. So many people have these experiences, <span data-t="2783.

0">you know. Even people that don't want to talk about it will say they don't believe it, <span data-t="2787.

2">have these experiences as well. You know, it's very it's it's it's quite uncommon actually to meet <span data-t="2792.

2">someone that's never experienced anything supernatural, I find. You know, most people know someone that they <span data-t="2799.

9">trust that has had a world experience, or they've had an experience themselves. Um, but yeah, I <span data-t="2804.

6">hope that answers your question, man.

Speaker 246:46

I just try and say that was a perfect answer. You couldn't have gotten any better than <span data-t="2810.

5">that. So, Tommy, I I cannot thank you enough for sharing your experiences. Pleasure, brother. This was <span data-t="2817.

9">this was absolutely amazing. I have been so looking forward to talking to you, and it turned <span data-t="2822.

2">out to be even better than what I was hoping it was going to be. So thank <span data-t="2826.

8">you, brother. I appreciate it, man. How can people find you in the in Let's Get Freaky podcast?

Speaker 147:11

Yeah, thank you so much, man. So we are wherever you listen to podcasts, Apple Podcasts, <span data-t="2835.

9">Spotify, Amazon Music, wherever you get your podcasts, we're also on YouTube as well, so you can <span data-t="2840.

8">watch the episodes as well. And I just, yeah, if you've got a paranormal experience you'd like <span data-t="2844.

7">to share on the show, uh, you can email us at let's get freaky podcast at mail.com. <span data-t="2849.

7">And we're on social media as well Instagram, Facebook, TikTok. X says so many different things, man. <span data-t="2855.

0">At TC Let's Get Freaky Podcast.

Speaker 247:37

That is phenomenal. Well, everyone, please go check out Tommy because his his show is absolutely amazing.

I happen to run across it just because with Chris, and uh I can't tell you how <span data-t="2870.

1">much I've appreciated that, and I have been a loyal listener ever since. So everybody check out YouTube.

Do you run video of episodes? Yeah, that's what we're doing as well now. So yeah, <span data-t="2884.

6">I and I know YouTube is a hard platform to grow on, so please go check him <span data-t="2889.

6">out there, subscribe, and uh if you have any questions, you can reach out to him, you <span data-t="2894.

6">can reach out to me, I'll make sure to get them over to him. But anyway, um <span data-t="2899.

2">everyone, as well as always, stay safe out there. Thank you for listening to Seven Demonology. Find <span data-t="2914.

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