Demonology 102: That's No Demon

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Are you interested in angels, demons, ghosts, spirits, and monsters? Are you curious about their origins, influence, <span data-t="20.

5">and how to protect against the unknown? If so, then welcome to Southern Demonology, the podcast that explores <span data-t="31.

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Speaker 23:03

Welcome all. This is JJ with Southern Demonology, of course. And with me is the ever fabulous <span data-t="192.

3">Chris from the Wandering Road podcast. And we wanted to go back to school one more time because <span data-t="200.

6">we figured that it would be very much worth a follow-up in our demonology series. Maybe have a <span data-t="209.

9">102 class. Because we've discussed what a demon is. However, we haven't really covered what isn't demonic. <span data-t="219.

8">And that is an equally valid thing, especially considering the amount of information, misinformation that is flowing <span data-t="232.

9">around on the interwebs these days. Mr. Chris, how are you doing today? Emphasize on fabulous. I <span data-t="240.

5">didn't say fabulous.

Speaker 14:02

No, I'm doing great, JJ. Again, thanks for having me on today for this episode. We were <span data-t="248.

2">kind of talking back and forth before the show started. You know, what would be a good topic <span data-t="253.

8">to cover today? And like you said, you know, we've talked a lot about we started with demonic <span data-t="260.

2">possession recently. You had, I believe it was the free will episode. We had the 201 episode. <span data-t="268.

3">So, you know, we thought it would be a good idea to take a step back because I <span data-t="274.

2">know, you know, when you do these episodes and you view them and we do them from our <span data-t="280.

9">Christian perspective, I think it's important as academics to take a little step back and view things <span data-t="288.

2">in a different manner and getting an understanding of what isn't demonic. Because you and I were <span data-t="296.

7">we share a lot of content back and forth on our TikTok inboxes, and we come across some <span data-t="303.

8">of the most absurd claims of people labeling everything demonic. I don't know, for clout or for <span data-t="313.

4">the sake of convenience or for whatever. Monetization. Monetization, yeah, that's that's more than likely the reason. <span data-t="323.

0">But I I think it's important to have this type of discussion.

Speaker 25:27

Oh, I'm in complete agreement with you. So I know that you're the one who actually came <span data-t="334.

1">up with the topic, and I'm glad that you did. What do you have on the list that <span data-t="339.

1">we can kind of hit first?

Speaker 15:40

Yeah, let's start with I would say the thing that bothers me. There there's quite a few <span data-t="346.

5">things that irritate me that get labeled as demonic, but I don't know what other way to label <span data-t="353.

3">this subject, but just to put it out there, I'm gonna say the concept of critical thinking or <span data-t="360.

3">essentially questioning everything, you know, kind of adopting the Socratic method of saying I know that I <span data-t="367.

8">know nothing and just questioning everything and, you know, trying to gain more knowledge. I know for <span data-t="375.

0">me, when I encounter certain people and I ask questions and you ask questions, and you know, <span data-t="382.

3">sometimes they like to label, well, that's work of the demons or work of the demonic. Why are <span data-t="387.

9">you asking this type of question? You shouldn't just ask this type of question. You should just <span data-t="392.

9">take whatever you're told and treat it as objective truth. There is no room for thinking. And <span data-t="400.

8">if you do, you are out of line. What are your thoughts on that, JJ? Have you seen <span data-t="406.

8">does that bother you as well? Have you seen this as a frequent thing, or am I alone <span data-t="412.

0">in this observation?

Speaker 26:53

Oh no. And especially when that those types of proclamations come from preachers or ministers or people <span data-t="425.

5">high up in a particular type of religious authority state that then you are simply meant to <span data-t="435.

4">take it for what it is. It is an undying proclamation that must be abided by. Or if <span data-t="444.

7">you are on a, you know, you're watching a video and it's proclaiming, oh, demonic activity, and <span data-t="453.

6">you happen to especially comment, you're nice in your response, you know, in your criticism, but you <span data-t="462.

6">politely word it, and then you're simply labeled to be a hater rather than a blind follower. <span data-t="469.

8">Both of those situations absolutely kill me. And you know, for me, I have a hate list that <span data-t="479.

0">goes pages upon pages upon pages thick, and uh yeah, I shouldn't, but I do.

Speaker 18:06

Yeah. Oh, I got this person blocked anytime I share something with you. Well, it it's this <span data-t="491.

1">video seemed interesting. Yeah, well, I don't like them. No, but but on a serious note, JJ, <span data-t="496.

1">like for me, I studied like for academia when I what when I was in university, I I <span data-t="504.

4">studied history. And history to its core, it's very detail-oriented. What you're supposed to do, you come <span data-t="514.

2">up with a thesis statement and you have to back your claim. You have to do research to <span data-t="520.

5">back your claim. You can't just claim that this is this and that is the only reason, because <span data-t="527.

2">obviously in academia, you're gonna be challenged when it comes to whatever you're claiming. And I view <span data-t="535.

1">stuff with demons and religion in the same fashion. I I think that it's good to ask questions. <span data-t="542.

5">And because you're asking questions doesn't necessarily mean you are coming from a bad place or you're <span data-t="551.

2">being facetious about it. I I think it's very important to make that distinction, you know, when <span data-t="557.

6">you're having a philosophical discussion with someone about religion or the concept of paranormal or the afterlife <span data-t="566.

8">or something of that sort. Kind of like with m me and my co-host Dean, we have these <span data-t="571.

4">conversations on our show and we have them off our show. And he throws, like you've been in <span data-t="578.

1">some of those conversations as well, and he throws these questions at me, and I don't take <span data-t="584.

1">offense to them. I try my best to answer them, but I'm not saying that, you know, just <span data-t="590.

8">because he has a different way of analyzing and thinking doesn't mean he's influenced by something evil, <span data-t="600.

1">it's more so curiosity and based off of how people are raised. And there isn't, to me, there <span data-t="607.

4">isn't one good way to go about everything if you are a good person. So that that's when <span data-t="615.

1">I I think it's okay. Because if if I'm having a discussion with you, and I've asked Father <span data-t="622.

2">Mike this on the previous podcast that we did with the 301, where I gave him the example <span data-t="629.

0">of Gauls living in like 50 BC and doing what they do that's normal to them to survive <span data-t="638.

3">and and live. Are they influenced by demons? Is that demonic in their behavior? Or is it a <span data-t="646.

2">case of the time that they live in and the surroundings they have to adjust themselves to? I <span data-t="653.

0">mean, the father didn't get upset about that, he answered the question.

Speaker 210:56

Yeah, I mean I even tacked on to that with my hypothetical, which to be honest, has <span data-t="663.

0">bothered me forever and a day because it's meant to be a logical trap for hardcore Protestants <span data-t="674.

9">who are heavy into missionary work, which where I'm from, more than quite a few happen to fall <span data-t="683.

3">into that same exact situation, and then challenge their beliefs. It's not meant to be, you know, <span data-t="691.

0">the ultimate gotcha, but it was really more phrase to be think. You know, I have long lived <span data-t="701.

5">by Immanuel Kant's Sapere Audua. And I think the more beautiful English translation of that is have <span data-t="713.

0">the courage to use your own intelligence. But the literal translation is simply dare to know. And <span data-t="723.

2">I can't think of a higher calling, especially when we're dealing with this particular topic, because this <span data-t="732.

4">is not Hollywood. The demonic is not always freezing temperatures and books flying around the room. It <span data-t="744.

6">rather the vast majority of the time takes place internally, it is spiritual in nature.

Speaker 112:33

So you mean my talking dolls aren't necessarily demonic? They're okay.

Speaker 212:39

I'm kidding. There's actually a really fun anime to watch in which there's this little girl who <span data-t="770.

5">winds up, she has this huge stuffed doll collection, and you think, oh, that's cute, until you <span data-t="778.

8">realize that she has trapped powerful ghosts into every single stuffed animal and then makes them fight <span data-t="788.

3">for her. But no, my my entire uh point behind this is you know, and I think this <span data-t="795.

4">leads to kind of in the next topic, and this is a thing that kind of kills me <span data-t="801.

6">is this and you most commonly find this within Protestant or evangelical circles, where everything is a <span data-t="815.

4">demon, the spirit of lust. Oh, you know, I was tempted to go gamble, so the gambling demon <span data-t="823.

8">has a hold of me. Or the the only valid thing I've ever heard is oh, I need <span data-t="830.

0">to go smoke. Belfeld has a hold of me. Now that one is true, but all the other <span data-t="836.

2">ones I I I don't know about. I'm sorry.

Speaker 113:59

Yeah, the Belfeldgore one is true. I yell about you. I yell at you about that all <span data-t="844.

0">the time. He's gotta let me go. We're gonna cast him out.

Speaker 214:08

Oh no, I hold on to him as much as he holds on to me. So it's a <span data-t="852.

7">good partnership. But you you find this so often in a lot of churches where you know I <span data-t="860.

2">know Father Mike has talked about this as well, where you know, it even if you put some <span data-t="867.

0">money in in a Coke machine and it takes it, it's a demon that was responsible for doing that.

And all of these things are patently ridiculous. You know, you can use Occam's razor if you <span data-t="882.

8">want to to go back to the very first point that we just brought up, but you don't <span data-t="887.

5">even have to go that far. When everything is a demon, then not only are you never safe, <span data-t="898.

2">but you also minimize it's it's essentially the boy who cries wolf. If everything becomes a wolf, <span data-t="908.

7">well then God help you if you ever encounter the true thing. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 115:15

No, absolutely. I c I completely agree, and I've heard of that before where you know there's <span data-t="920.

8">a spirit of lust, there's a spirit of greed, there's a spirit of gluttony, and using the <span data-t="929.

8">demonic as a scapegoat for your own bad behavior.

Speaker 215:34

Like it's nothing more than a way for you to absolve yourself of responsibility.

Speaker 115:42

No, absolutely. A lot of folks that go through rough times in their life, they often turn <span data-t="949.

8">to God, which I personally I'm fine with that. That it whatever you know will help you, that <span data-t="957.

4">that is that is perfect. But alternatively, we cannot blame the demonic for every bad decision that <span data-t="966.

9">one makes. Because at the end of the day, back to free will, you still have free will. <span data-t="974.

5">And I always like the example I gave Dean, like the example I gave in the previous episode <span data-t="981.

1">with the 302 episode with the father. If you know you have a sex addiction problem and you <span data-t="989.

7">see a billboard advertising a gentleman's club, you have two options. You can go or you can not <span data-t="999.

4">go. It's your personal free will that is making that decision. There's no spirit of lust controlling you.

And you know, let me say this before people get their panties in a bunch. I'm <span data-t="1013.

8">not trying to preach to anyone, not trying to offend anyone. If you believe in those spirits, fine.

It is what it is. But at the end of the day, I think with this type <span data-t="1026.

1">of topic, we have to understand that if we are going to blame the demonic for every <span data-t="1032.

0">bad behavior, you are in turn denying the fact that you have free will. So, in turn, <span data-t="1038.

7">your free will means nothing. According then why are you here? To be a pawn, to be played?

Are you in some sort of chess game in which you have no control of what you <span data-t="1051.

0">do? I I think that's something that is is a very it's very dangerous.

Speaker 217:36

No, it's a it's the ultimate slippery road.

Speaker 117:39

Yeah, and on top of that, not only can you use that to try to absolve yourself <span data-t="1067.

6">of any type of critical thinking, any type of personal responsibility. You know, we joke about the <span data-t="1073.

6">Belfelgore stuff, but we know really it's not Belfelgore making you want to smoke. Exactly. It's the <span data-t="1081.

0">nicotine craving that you have that makes you want to smoke. It's the craving that I have <span data-t="1086.

2">for pizza that makes me want to eat a whole f pie of pizza. And I'm sorry for <span data-t="1091.

0">swearing, but I'm just very animated.

Speaker 218:13

Yeah, and one of these days I will break your addiction to Chip and Dales. I promise.

Speaker 118:19

You never will.

Speaker 218:20

You enjoyed it last time we were there. Chip, you know, he he had yeah. Anyway, I'm <span data-t="1107.

5">not gonna go there.

Speaker 118:28

That that Chip and Dale is the funniest cartoon ever. Those two chipmunks are the best. <span data-t="1114.

5">That's what we're talking about.

Speaker 218:35

Sure, we yeah, nudge nudge. When I say that, the only thing that pops into my head <span data-t="1122.

6">is Tris Farley up there.

Speaker 118:45

Oh, yeah, where he's doing SNL. Oh, jeez. At the end of the day, are there certain <span data-t="1133.

1">things that we could blame the demonic for? Oh, absolutely. Like that house that I lived in. <span data-t="1139.

1">I've come to the realization, or acceptance, that was probably a demon. I didn't do anything to <span data-t="1145.

8">entice it. We didn't summon it, it was just there when we moved in. Now, did that <span data-t="1152.

5">make I let that thing make me be a bad person or a bad kid? No, I was <span data-t="1158.

8">still who I was, I still had proper direction and upbringing from my parents, I still had <span data-t="1166.

2">a good, loving environment, even though there was a eerie feeling in that place all the time <span data-t="1172.

9">that you didn't want to be by yourself, and sometimes it would affect your mood. One thing <span data-t="1177.

8">I will say, you will absolutely know when you encounter something like that, because it puts the <span data-t="1185.

4">fear of God into you. There is one thing I'll say, and I'll pass it back to <span data-t="1190.

6">you, JJ, because I'm freaking ranting, is that picture yourself sitting there, you're just doing whatever <span data-t="1196.

8">you're doing, and you hear a voice mimicking that of your loved ones, and then a door <span data-t="1203.

4">on the other side of the house, and you know you're home alone, slams violently. And that <span data-t="1209.

1">type of fear, that's when you know you are dealing with something very powerful. It didn't make <span data-t="1217.

0">me, it was no spirit of lust or something like that. Because that, like we said before, <span data-t="1223.

0">I personally think that's a way of people trying to avoid accountability for their actions, which there <span data-t="1230.

2">seems a lot of nowadays with the whole is what it is type of attitude, or oh, <span data-t="1235.

4">that's just how I am type of attitude, which I think is bullshit. But I'll digress and <span data-t="1240.

6">pass the I'll get off my soapbox to use a corporate term.

Speaker 220:44

Whenever everything becomes a demon, then it's really easy to fall back into the trap that <span data-t="1253.

9">we saw emerge back in the 80s where everything became a demon. And we had this extreme <span data-t="1265.

8">pervasive satanic panic that had gripped the nation. And you see the most ridiculous things being charted <span data-t="1277.

0">out, everything from Dungeons and Dragons all the way to the Smurfs. And if you think I'm <span data-t="1284.

4">joking about that, I wish to God I was, but I remember going to a special presentation <span data-t="1294.

2">at the Baptist church that was not even a mile from my house. Because if you know, <span data-t="1301.

4">in the south, almost every two miles you find a new church. And I sat through a <span data-t="1309.

1">video presentation of why the Smurfs were demonic and was leading our children into the clutches of <span data-t="1319.

0">the devil. Even as a kid, I knew that I was hearing the biggest load of bullshit <span data-t="1324.

8">I have ever heard in my entire life.

Speaker 122:06

Yeah, that's the first I heard of Smurfs being called demonic. I personally didn't care for <span data-t="1332.

1">the Smurfs when I was younger. I just I was never a fan. I was more of a <span data-t="1335.

9">Looney Tunes type of kid with Bugs Bunny. But yes, I have heard of DD being called demonic.

Speaker 222:25

And again, it's right. I mean, I'll give you a case in point on that one. So <span data-t="1350.

6">when I was in middle school, I began playing DD with a couple of friends, and they <span data-t="1359.

9">really had no idea what they were doing. I didn't know what I was doing, and yet <span data-t="1365.

4">we were having fun, and we were playing by first edition rules. This was back in the <span data-t="1372.

3">late 80s, and I remember I had one of the books on me, and my mom found it, <span data-t="1380.

5">and she essentially told me that my mom is the most sane, rational individual I have ever met.

But yet, because of what she had heard on the news, and out of an abundance of <span data-t="1398.

6">concern for me, she accused me of potentially putting my soul at risk because she thought that <span data-t="1408.

2">I was dabbling with very dark stuff, and that broke my heart. And I knew that a <span data-t="1415.

6">lot of this came forth from a place of trauma because my father dealt with the darker <span data-t="1425.

3">side of magic when he was a younger man, and it caused a lot of problems. I'll <span data-t="1434.

6">just put it that way. And she did not want to see me go down that same road. <span data-t="1440.

6">So I understood where she was coming from.

Speaker 124:03

See, JJ, if I may, that that is a rational like line of thinking.

Speaker 224:10

Like it is, but it was a complete overreaction as well. Sure, sure. Like it came from <span data-t="1459.

1">a good place, don't get me wrong, but yet the reaction to it was entirely too much. <span data-t="1467.

6">And I am not criticizing my mom. I mean, it this was not a particularly good call, <span data-t="1473.

2">but you know, I had one of the most wonderful childhoods a person could ever have. So <span data-t="1480.

4">I'm not bad mouthing her whatsoever. My mom is continues to be my best friend to this day.

So anyway, I'm getting off topic. I'm sorry.

Speaker 124:50

No, I don't think you are. I think it's relevant because I think it follows the same <span data-t="1494.

7">mold, but this time with your mom, it's built off of a previous experience.

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Speaker 227:30

Much earlier.

Speaker 127:32

Much earlier.

Speaker 227:33

First edition, early 70s, and it was actually based upon an older war simulation game called <span data-t="1663.

1">Chain Metal.

Speaker 127:44

Okay. But again, what was happening at that time? The Church of Satan was what a decade <span data-t="1670.

2">old? Formed by Anton LeVay?

Speaker 227:54

I think it started in 60, either 66 or 67, I think.

Speaker 127:59

Yeah. So from 66 to 67, to when you started, you know, getting interested in D D, <span data-t="1685.

4">and then you had the satanic panic and and all this other stuff, you know, you had <span data-t="1690.

2">the influence of an actual satanic church out there. So I could completely understand, you know, how <span data-t="1696.

6">some people would be like, oh, you know, well, maybe I don't want my kid to get involved.

This is potentially a gateway to the satanic church, which is completely understandable. But now, present <span data-t="1708.

2">day, people still hold that view of like Dungeons and Dragons. People hold that view of Harry Potter.

People hold that view of one of the best written masterpieces to ever exist, J.R.R. Tolkien's <span data-t="1725.

1">The Lord of the Rings. A man that was a devout Catholic wrote The Lord of the <span data-t="1731.

8">Rings, and most of it was based off of his upbringing. He wanted to write a mythology <span data-t="1737.

0">for England and his experiences in the trenches of World War One. Even that did not escape <span data-t="1745.

8">the accusation of being demonic. And it still does to this day.

Speaker 229:11

People still proclaim Halloween to be the ultimate pinnacle of Satan's power in the world. And <span data-t="1763.

0">actually, I heard someone proclaim that it was the most evil holiday that's ever existed. I just <span data-t="1770.

9">I just wanted to shake my head because you can't dissuade someone from this. I mean, it <span data-t="1776.

2">becomes such a tightly integrated belief that you know it's really hard to dissuade someone from that. <span data-t="1785.

2">But yet it's just anyway.

Speaker 129:47

Look, I'll put it this way most of the holidays that people celebrate were incorporated by <span data-t="1793.

8">the church because they were previous holidays. And if they got rid of them, you'd piss off <span data-t="1800.

3">a lot of people. So in order to keep the masses happy, they incorporated them and transformed <span data-t="1808.

2">them into what we quote unquote celebrate now. But the whole thing with Halloween just pisses me <span data-t="1814.

5">off because it's just turned into Halloween right now is just an excuse to watch scary movies <span data-t="1822.

0">and get candy, get free candy. And that's how I view it. That's personally how I view it.

There, there's no you're not gonna get druids going around, you know, making sacrifices to Arduina <span data-t="1835.

4">in the forest. Maybe one or two. You know, those people still are around, which they label <span data-t="1841.

0">them as pagans in a blanket statement, which, you know, there's more to it than that. You're <span data-t="1846.

8">not gonna have people out there celebrating, uh, what is it? How do you pronounce it properly, JJ?

Salwin. Salwin. Yep. Salwin. Yeah, that's not a thing anymore. It's good to know the history <span data-t="1858.

0">of it, but knowing the history of it doesn't automatically assume that because you take your kid <span data-t="1865.

3">out to get free candy means you're worshiping the devil. Now, if you take your kid to <span data-t="1871.

3">the freaking satanic temple or the satanic church or somewhere, some group that are advertising that we <span data-t="1880.

9">are going to do X and Y and Z for satanic purposes. Okay, there's a red flag <span data-t="1889.

3">right there. So use your discernment. But again, like not only with the the popular, like we <span data-t="1895.

7">said with the critical thinking, that goes hand in hand with what we're talking about right now <span data-t="1899.

5">with the DD and the popular culture. Dude, I was listening to a podcast, I can't remember <span data-t="1904.

6">which one it was. This was probably in 2016 or 2017, and on the podcast, it had <span data-t="1912.

8">someone claiming that all the spells on Harry Potter were real and that they used it, and <span data-t="1920.

5">that it was of the demonic. Harry Potter is the wizarding equivalent of Star Wars, that's what <span data-t="1930.

5">it is with its own twist. I I what really frustrates me with this topic is that <span data-t="1937.

4">I told you before I'm working on my own historical fiction. There's some fantastical elements to it. <span data-t="1944.

3">Just because I have the creativity to create this world in my mind and transcribe it in <span data-t="1951.

8">great detail on paper and include these fantastical elements to it doesn't mean that it was influenced <span data-t="1961.

4">by the demonic. Exactly. You are downplaying your creativity. You are saying that when you do that, <span data-t="1969.

2">you are saying that I am not creative enough to do something, and therefore it had to <span data-t="1976.

6">be influenced by something evil. Just because it looks a little quirky or it takes place in <span data-t="1981.

8">some fantastical world, and the shit that Lord of the Rings gets is because it includes magic. <span data-t="1988.

3">Like, who gives a shit? It doesn't matter if they're doing magic to summon like Belfeldgore, then <span data-t="1996.

9">I get it. Then I get it. If they if Lord of the Rings came with a handbook <span data-t="2001.

1">that said, recite this, light these black candles, do X, cut your wrist, drip three blood droplets <span data-t="2011.

4">of blood in the candle, and set in an offering for 12 hours, then I could understand. <span data-t="2019.

2">Be like, okay, what the hell is going on here? But again, it's people just taking these <span data-t="2024.

0">ideas and just running with it for the sake of running with it, because you'd be surprised <span data-t="2029.

1">how many people take these ideas and for one second they do not challenge them. They'll be <span data-t="2035.

7">like, Well, where did you hear this from? No, they just take it as gospel and then <span data-t="2040.

0">they just run off with it and incorporate it into everything.

Speaker 234:03

Exactly. And the kind of the last topic that I wanted to bring up is that when <span data-t="2050.

6">you treat everything to be demonic, then you have zero protection against the real thing because you <span data-t="2063.

1">have diluted the the actual candidates down to nothing. And if you ever do happen to encounter <span data-t="2072.

6">the real thing, then you will be absolutely screwed, you know, or it could tempt people into <span data-t="2082.

8">getting into it even more than what they would normally. Oh, I hear that this is demonic. <span data-t="2089.

4">You know, why not just start opening every door that we possibly can? What's the danger in <span data-t="2095.

0">playing with the Ouija board? If I can find a demon in a coke machine that steals <span data-t="2101.

0">my money, then why not start playing Kikuti-San or start doing some of these weird rituals like <span data-t="2110.

2">the King's Game or Hide and Go Seek by Yourself? What's the what's the difference? And the <span data-t="2116.

2">more, and I'm not saying that every door that you open is going to hold a demon <span data-t="2122.

7">behind it. But the more that you go and open, the greater your likelihood of encountering something.

Speaker 135:30

I I completely agree with you. And sometimes it's unprovoked. You don't like you don't know, <span data-t="2136.

8">like the author that you had on your show and I had on my show, Anna Maria. <span data-t="2141.

4">Yes, the story of her father with the encounter that she had with whatever that demonic entity <span data-t="2148.

3">was hovering outside of his window all the time, and everybody saw it. According to her story, <span data-t="2155.

2">it's not like he was doing anything wrong, he was just writing. He was a poet for <span data-t="2160.

2">God's sake. He was a poet, he was writing, and you had something attaching itself to him <span data-t="2167.

7">for no particular reason. So, are you gonna try to say that writing and being creative in <span data-t="2173.

8">writing poetry is demonic? No, we can't level that accusation on everything. What I'm trying to <span data-t="2180.

6">articulate, and I think what we've been trying to articulate this entire episode, and you know, we <span data-t="2185.

7">don't mean to come off as being lecturing people or talking down to anyone. I think what <span data-t="2192.

3">we're trying to articulate here is that we need to be careful when we label things demonic <span data-t="2200.

1">because you personally don't like them. And I think that happens too frequently. You don't like that <span data-t="2208.

9">someone is partaking in some type of activity that you view as unsavory, so you label it <span data-t="2216.

5">as demonic. I I get it, I understand. You don't like it. We need to shy away <span data-t="2222.

6">from doing that and leave the demonic where it is, it's not everywhere, to be honest. It's <span data-t="2232.

9">not me buying a DBZ statue is not demonic. If you going to sacrifice a baby, that's demonic.

And that's very freaking twisted. There are different levels to these things, and and I think <span data-t="2249.

3">what I'm trying to say from my perspective, and I won't speak for you, JJ, is that <span data-t="2254.

2">we just need to be careful because if everything that we've discussed with the demonology series and <span data-t="2261.

6">what we discussed with Father Bird Song and the future episode for 401 that we will have <span data-t="2268.

5">with him, where he actually talks about his encounters with the demonic and how he actually did <span data-t="2273.

8">battle with the in the infernal, like you'll get a better understanding of what that's like.

Speaker 237:59

Exactly. Yeah. The last thing I really wanted to talk about was what a demon actually is.

You know, I think that we have spelled it out in you know our demonology 101 <span data-t="2293.

2">and 201 courses, but just to give a real brief synopsis of that, a demon is a <span data-t="2301.

8">pertinatural entity, and there's a difference between pertinatural and supernatural. Pernatural simply means that it is <span data-t="2313.

8">something that is locked to either a place or a time, it is more limited, but it <span data-t="2323.

4">does not mean that it does not that it is not powerful. A pertinatural entity is something <span data-t="2331.

3">that has never been human, ever. It is an entirely separate thing. It is a thing composed <span data-t="2340.

8">only of spirit, and they are, while rare, at least as we understand it, is extremely dangerous <span data-t="2350.

7">and is capable of inflicting mental, physical, and emotional trauma on a scale hitherto unknown, but can <span data-t="2365.

1">also invade someone's will, minimize it and take it over. And that is the true danger. And <span data-t="2374.

8">by minimizing that, reducing these things that absolutely abhor us down to either base desires or common <span data-t="2389.

7">everyday occurrences, then we are taking away the danger that they truly pose. And that is what <span data-t="2399.

4">scares me more than anything.

Speaker 140:02

I echo your sentiment, JJ. It's like you said, it's it's it's the unknown. It's a being <span data-t="2409.

0">that is so strong and has such hate for you that you do not know what it's <span data-t="2415.

0">capable of. The only thing that we know that it's capable of are based off of the <span data-t="2421.

4">exorcism cases that we get from the church fathers and other religions, like Abrahamic religions and other <span data-t="2431.

3">religions across the world that do have rituals to cast out evil spirits.

Speaker 240:37

And personal stories. I think that your personal story is a you know a key thing, or <span data-t="2444.

9">stories that have been handed down in my family of them encountering the demonic. These things are <span data-t="2453.

8">fantastic signposts. We have to keep our eye on the prize because if we don't, then reopen <span data-t="2461.

6">ourselves to some horrible, horrible things. And yeah, as Chris said, we're not trying to lecture, we're <span data-t="2468.

8">not trying to preach. I just want to put everything into context so that, you know, hopefully <span data-t="2476.

9">we can stay safe out there.

Speaker 141:18

No, I completely agree. And you know that one saying, like the greatest I might butcher <span data-t="2484.

9">this was having humanity believe that the devil doesn't exist or something like that.

Speaker 241:30

Yep.

Speaker 141:30

That that type of thing. I think labeling everything as demonic that you don't like or <span data-t="2496.

8">that makes you uncomfortable, I think that follows into the same mold. It does. Because if you <span data-t="2503.

8">label everything demonic when there are certain things that are demonic, people are not going to believe <span data-t="2509.

8">you. They're gonna call you crazy. They're gonna be like, well, that's not real. And therefore, feeds <span data-t="2515.

8">into the concept that the greatest trick the devil played on humanity was tricking us into believing <span data-t="2522.

1">that he doesn't exist.

Speaker 242:03

Or that he's everywhere. Yeah. And therefore, it's a perfect cover either way.

Speaker 142:09

Yeah, no, I I completely agree.

Speaker 242:12

Any final thoughts before we close out here?

Speaker 142:15

Yeah, I do. One last thing. One of my pet peeves is people that call aliens demonic. <span data-t="2543.

6">Aliens are not demons. Just because there are possi there's a possibility of other intelligent life out <span data-t="2552.

2">in our vast universe does not make them demons. It is very self-centered and ignorant for us <span data-t="2560.

9">as humans to believe that we are the sole intelligent creation of God, because if God is <span data-t="2567.

2">all-knowing, omnipotent, everything, all-knowing, all-loving, creates everything, created the universe, created us. Limiting God, how <span data-t="2578.

1">can you limit God from creating other intelligent beings? Accurate. And that that's that was the last <span data-t="2584.

3">thing I wanted to get out there.

Speaker 243:06

Very worthy to hear. Thank you very much. I completely agree with you. All righty, Mr. <span data-t="2592.

2">Chris, how can people find you?

Speaker 143:14

So you can find the Wandering Road Podcast on every podcast platform, Apple, Spotify, wherever you <span data-t="2601.

3">listen to your podcast, we should be on there. We are on social media, we are on <span data-t="2606.

6">Twitter, which I will never call it X, at TW Road Podcast, we are on Instagram at <span data-t="2613.

8">TW Road Podcast, we are on TikTok as well at TWR Podcast. If you want to be a <span data-t="2624.

3">guest on the show, or if you want to share your paranormal experiences or have any questions <span data-t="2631.

0">for us, or call us stupid, you can reach us at our email address of twroadpodcast at gmail.com.

And if you search for us On Facebook, you search the Wandering Road podcast, we should <span data-t="2643.

0">show up on there. But we love interfacing with the community and we encourage people to get <span data-t="2649.

0">a hold of us because one, we'll never judge you. Two, Dean and I are very open-minded, <span data-t="2654.

6">and we love having analytical discussions with all of our guests.

Speaker 244:19

And I can I I can honestly say this. I don't listen to many other podcasts mainly <span data-t="2666.

0">because of the fact that I'm busy. I have, you know, a day job that requires a <span data-t="2672.

0">good bit of overwork. I've got a ton of other projects in the mix. And yet I <span data-t="2678.

9">always listen to The Wandering Road whenever they release every Friday. They are such earnest and honest <span data-t="2688.

9">recordings that I I just I I can't imagine the podcasting world without 'em now. And Chris is <span data-t="2697.

8">has become one of my best friends, and I'm not saying this just because I like the <span data-t="2703.

4">guy, even though I'll never claim that otherwise. But it's because they really do amazing work. So <span data-t="2709.

7">give them a listen if you haven't already.

Speaker 145:12

Yep. And upcoming episodes that we have, we got some goatman stuff. You know, we're digging <span data-t="2718.

0">delving back into the cryptids. We got goatman, we just released an episode about haunted Hawaii. And <span data-t="2724.

1">we have an episode on the Bell Witch coming up as well. So if you enjoy those <span data-t="2729.

0">type of topics, please do give us a listen. We appreciate it.

Speaker 245:32

You know I grew up just 30 minutes away from Adams, Tennessee, right?

Speaker 145:37

I was not aware, and we probably should have included you for that episode.

Speaker 245:42

Yeah, because I've I've been there a few times and actually have crawled back into the cave.

Did anything grab your leg? No, no. In fact, uh the cave was decorated with Christmas <span data-t="2755.

7">lights and chicken wire.

Speaker 145:57

So that's funny. I'm sure the Bell Witch appreciated that.

Speaker 246:02

Yeah, and I think I still at least I did have the book that I had bought <span data-t="2767.

8">from their gift shop when I was back when I was an early preteen. Anyway. Yeah, called <span data-t="2783.

0">the White Bluff Whaler.

Speaker 146:24

Wow. Okay. That's another topic I gotta look into.

Speaker 246:28

And then of course there's an Alabama version of kind of like that, called the the <span data-t="2793.

9">White Fang. And yes, it is with an A, believe it or not, and thing. Anyway, we're <span data-t="2800.

0">getting off topic. Thank you all for listening so much. We really do appreciate it. And join <span data-t="2805.

8">us again real soon. Thank you for listening to Southern Demonology. Find us online at Southern Demonology.

com, which offers links to all of our social media and episodes. Southern Demonology is solely owned, <span data-t="2826.

6">produced, and edited by myself, and the intro and outro music are composed by me as well. <span data-t="2834.

1">If you have a moment, please rate, like, and share this podcast, as it is the best <span data-t="2840.

8">way to help support my work. As always, I am JJ, and it has been a pleasure <span data-t="2847.

6">to speak to you today.

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