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Hello all, and welcome back to season five, episode seven of the Southern Demonology Podcast. As always, I am your friendly neighborhood, Ancient Demonologist, JJ. This is the second and final part to the new series I'm calling Case Files, which actually goes through real-life demonic and paranormal events and told by those who actually participated or led those investigations. I highly recommend you to listen to the last episode before delving into this one, as it directly picks up with Deacon Josh, who led the second visitation to this cursed house and property.
Before we do go there, I have just a few things to cover, and I promise to keep it short. First, to the too good bit of news. I'm proud to say that on the day that this releases, which is July 22nd, that it is a very auspicious day as it is my wife's and my wedding anniversary. Second, if you want to hear more about the Ethiopian Bible, then I just appeared as a guest on the Garden of Doom podcast, where I covered that in detail. The host is a great guy filled with different kinds of lore, and I highly recommend giving that one a listen. The link will be in the show notes.
In fact, this coming up week I appear yet again on the same podcast, Garden of Doom, discussing the pseudo pigraphom. Now, onto the scary bit for today. This episode is littered with at least four EVPs. Three of which sound just like a strange demonic pig sound. So here's an example. It's a short little clip of the conversation, and then pay attention at the very end. Instead of just saying it in order to get the topic out of the way. Okay. And here is the bit that I am talking about amplified. And again, I don't know what this is. And this same sound is repeated at least twice more.
I've warned the bird songs of this as I'm afraid that something, perhaps the very entity in question, is attempting to latch onto them. And the second part of this interview does get a little long. I'm not trying to prolong this, but I I have to say one thing. And that brings me to the very last point. Being an exorcist or participating in one is dangerous. Not only do you face retaliation, but as I've said in the do's and don'ts of exorcism, exorcism comes with a price. It is an act of loving sacrifice on the part of the priest who performs it. And it will take something from you every time.
Both of these men allude to it in this interview. But Father Birdsong's health has been under attack for some time now, to the point where there are many days where he can barely stand and is required for his safety to use a wheelchair. You know, I myself have suffered repercussions just from doing this podcast. And all I do is talk about the demonic. Father Birdsung has directly confronted the kingdom for more than thirty years, and the price he continues to pay is steep. And yet he does not stop.
He continues the good fight and has even brought up the next generation, his own son, to step into his shoes. Even the Ethiopian Debter priests who trap demons into magical scrolls to protect the faithful are said to die horrible, agonizing deaths. And they do look like they have seen hell in their final moments with their faces contorted with grimaces of agony. Father Birdsong has spoken of being the watcher on the wall. Well if you stand up there, you will get hit by the arrows that the enemy launches your way.
And the only way to persevere is to grit your teeth and continue on in spite of the blood pouring down your face and the pain lancing through your bones. And it does not stop. That pain is your constant companion. And if you have ever had the misfortune of suffering from a chronic illness where you have constant pain, I I'm sorry. I I know what that feels like. I was like that for six months with the condition a couple of years ago, and I will never forget that. And yet that kind of pain is a very real possibility. If not worse.
The exorcist does what he does for the faithful, for the community, and for his actual and extended family. He banishes the dark so that those suffering can see the light. He won't always win and ultimately the battle will be lost. And yet the war continues. The bird songs continue their watch. And I am honored to bring you just one of their stories. I hope you'll forgive the exposition. But so rarely in life do we consider the consequences of our actions. How everything that we do can burn the candle brighter. And there's only a finite source of fuel to this life.
The paranormal can be very exciting. It also comes with an entire not even host, a legion of danger. And going into exorcism may be the greatest of them all. With all that said, let's continue with part two. Alright. Why don't we launch into part two? Because you're the one who led this segment of it, and I would love to get your thoughts, interpretations, etc.
Alright. Well, the next session, it happened just a couple of days ago on the 10th. Dad was having a real bad day with his pain and couldn't hardly walk, he could barely stand up. He asked me if if I felt counterful and that if I thought that I could do it without him. And I told him, I yeah, I can do it. And so he handed the reins over to me. Tell you the truth, I was I was I knew I could do it, but at the same time, I was scared as hell.
Given the previous experience and plus just going into this by yourself. For how many years have you been doing assistant work to with your family? Um three, four years. Gotcha. All right. So you get there and what happened.
Well, well, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is your show. I'm sorry, Josh. I think it's very important that you tell everyone what happened before you even went over there and how important it is that I blessed you. And you probably always gonna do that, but I'm sorry. And Dada shut up now, I promise.
But yeah, uh, we had we had gone to the church first to grab some things because we had to grab the thermal, the the holy water, everything that we needed for the Eucharist.
For those who may not be familiar with the term, can you just go over the thurible?
The thermal is the sensor that's used for the church. It's a container that's attached to a chain that uh has a a bowl in it that you would place charcoal and light it, and then place the incense on top of the charcoal to burn it. Consecrated incense. And so we we needed that, the holy water, the host, the wine for the Eucharist, which dad consecrated the Eucharist and all for me. And then he blessed me. We went through confession, absolution, and I went through some other prayers of protection that comes from Father Ripper's book, Deliverance Prayers for the for the laity.
And then I went to the house, I got everything out, went inside, and I sat with the family first so we could talk and get an update on how things were going since our first visit.
And how were they going?
Well, she didn't hear any she didn't hear the sound of someone running around in the attic anymore, which would happen every night. And the chairs weren't moving on their own anymore during the night.
I mean, that's something just right there. Do we know about what time these things were happening in the night, or did they specify?
She didn't really specify about the attic, but the chairs would always move approximately around 3, 3:30 in the morning.
If that's not telling, then I don't know what is.
She also informed us uh something else that was interesting that I thought because the granddaughter, the youngest granddaughter who was who's sensitive to these things, she grabbed a bottle, one of the bottles of holy water that we had left, and just poured the whole thing over the spare bed where the husband was sleeping because she said it really needed it. There was bad things there out of the mouths of babes. And ever since then, the husband couldn't sleep in that room, and he couldn't sleep in the master bedroom because we had already blessed it before.
Well, I think that directly plays into what Father Mike was saying before, which is going which was in part one, where there seems to have been an attachment to the husband directly, and that seems to indirectly confirm that.
Yep, and it's confirmed even more because the friend that was there was telling me she informed me that the husband when I was on my way, the husband went to the tree line and was just staring off into into space, and then he started pacing in circles. Oh, holy crap, just out out of his head. And when I went to introduce myself to him, he wouldn't look at me in the eye, and he wouldn't shake my hand and gave the excuse that his hands are greasy when his hands were spotless.
Oh I mean, just the fact that there are episodes in which he does not seem to be in his mind. I mean, and then behave I mean, and then doing that same kind of psychological hurdle that dogs that have been trapped in kennels for way too long and they just endlessly circle and they can't break out of that. Yeah, that is I mean, we are well, I would say we're well past the the stage of I would say we're borderline possession.
Yeah, uh I was about to say, because I mean after obsession and then we move into the physical and the mental, which is oppression, for that to be able to be such a huge effect, yeah, uh we are absolutely getting into the possession aspect of things. That is just frightening. Anyway, I wasn't trying to interrupt you.
Oh no. And once I got all that information, then I led them through the act of corporate confession, and then I gave of course gave the deacon's version of the absolute absolution. And then we went through Holy Eucharist and we started beginning the exorcism. I took the uh Christ candle, which is is the candle that we use every Christmas uh Mass and during Easter vigilals as well, and it represents the light of Christ. And so I placed that in the center of the home in the living room on the coffee table and lit it, and then I lit the incense and began the prayers.
Well, Josh, let me ask you this if you don't mind just real quick. What beyond the symbolism and the occasions in which that particular candle is utilized, what else about its construction is different?
Well, it's a very large candle, but the candle is is just a pure white candle, it represents the purity of Christ and the light of Christ.
Okay. The lamp stands in the book of Revelation of the churches. Yes, gotcha.
Josh, Josh, explain to them the purpose of incense. Incense represents the prayers of the people and the saints ascending to the throne of God, which is described in the book of Revelation, when the angel had the golden censor and the incense rose to the throne of God before he cast it down to the earth.
Okay, yeah, please continue.
And so we went through every room in the house. I went through every bedroom, bathroom, every closet, came back, circled all the way back around to the living room, and then I asked her where the door to the basement was. And she said, Well, my husband doesn't want you to go down into the basement and said that that was his place. Yes.
Who is his? That's the question. Yeah.
Yeah, which threw alarm bells off in my head. So I was like, okay, so we took care of that spot up in the attic, so now it's trying to hide in the basement and what you did. So I said, okay, we won't go into the basement. And she kind of read my mind and said, Yeah, we won't go into the basement and open the door. Oh love that I threw the holy water down the staircase, blessed it. I took the sensor and uh sensed it as well.
Then I grabbed my uh vial of sacred chrism and I went around and marked every entrance to the home, every doorway, blessed it and so that no evil may enter the house, only things that are of God. And then we got to the attic, and I told them, I said, stay here in the living room. I said, pray in the spirit while I go up to the attic. And so I grabbed the holy water and the anointing oil, the sacred prism, and went up into the attic. And once I got up there, I felt the wind get knocked out of me, like someone had punched me in the gut. And so I had to yeah.
I mean, I could I could feel it just getting punched in the gut, and the wind came out of me. And then I had to take a minute to compose myself, catch my breath, and then I started praying over myself because I was being attacked. And then once I finished, I began the rite of exorcism up in the up in the attic. And as I was beginning, you could hear it sounded like the beams were cracking like they were about to break.
And once about I reached the halfway point when I said, God the Son commands you, I mean, God the Father commands you, God the Son commands you, God the Holy Spirit commands you, the room went black. It was like it was midnight again, just like the first visit. Dang. And of course, I'm nervous as a first time alone.
I wouldn't have been nervous, I would have been scared out of the I'm I'm scared.
See, that that that's the whole point. And I'm I'm sorry for interrupting you, JJ, but I just got to say this. All these people that go to these deliverance ministry sessions for training, and they think they got all this authority, you know what I mean? And they say they have no fear. If you do not have any fear in entering into something like this, you got no business going into it anyway.
Well, you're you're either certifiably insane, hello, or some or something else, but yeah, that that is not or you're a pure saint of God, yeah. Which they absolutely nobody is, so yeah, he meant to that.
Except for me, maybe, because you know, but but but you know, you know, you and I are special though. We're we're we're different case. They uh we're on another level. I will see you both a confession.
Uh you better sit down for quite a while.
Once the room goes by, and like I said, I'm nervous, I'm on my own. It's the first time without dad there, and my voice starts to waver a bit, but then I'm like, no, no, I can't give in. So I started speaking louder and more forceful. And once I started doing that, then I could feel what I could only describe as the grace of God come over me. And then the room started getting brighter, and the light from the window that was behind me started shining brighter through. Then it was almost like it was daylight for a moment. Like, like I was outside, like the whole attic was lit up.
There was not a shadow anywhere.
Wow.
And then I started walking through the attic, sprinkling the holy water around. I I even grabbed the sacred chrism and I started anointing the beams of the attic as I was praying. And once they got through going through the rite, then I started reciting the rosary prayers, the Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory Be. And I didn't know, but during all that, below us is the living room. The dog, when I had begun the rite of exorcism, the owner of the home told me the dog started pacing like it was agitated. And once I finished, the dog walked around in a circle one time, laid down, and went to sleep.
And that was before you ever came down. And that was before I came down the steps.
Wow.
And so I get through in the attic and I come down the steps, and I see the dog laying there. It's like, oh well, I said, the dog's sleeping kind of peacefully. And then that's when she told me what had happened. She said that was the first time the dog has ever slept that peacefully in that room in the house.
Well, that's amazing.
And her her friend that attended the classes with us, she was saying that she could hear the angels singing, and which I can confirm because I've I've I felt I felt that.
How did you feel if you don't mind? I would love some elaboration on that one. How did you feel that?
I could feel I could feel the grace of God descending into the attic. And I could smell I could smell that the scent of flowers. And I could also hear, well, I I heard like little tiny bells. And so that came to curse that to me was that sound.
That have y'all ever heard that particular sound or experienced that type of fresh floral scent after performing this or well location or well, one instance, and I'll have Josh share this just because of what you said, and I think it's so important, even to the point of death.
Yeah. When we were in when my father, my biological father passed away, I had been up over well over 24 hours, and then got news and went to Birmingham, Alabama. Yeah. I was trying to get some sleep. And this was before I even found out that dad had passed away. And all of a sudden, I'm I'm laying in the bed trying to, you know, dad gum, I'm I'm whooped, you know, trying to sleep, and I hear this music. I'm like, what in the world? And Josh, Josh said the angels is singing. I said, I brushed it off. Yeah.
I I walked out into the hallway. I was about ready to tear somebody up, you know. He thought it was the uh restaurant next to the hotel. I walked to the window, Dad, it's not that. The angels are singing. Yeah, I'm like, what am I hearing? He said, he said, quote unquote, Papa just passed away.
I said, Pop's gone. Finish the story. And then as soon as those words left my mouth, we got a phone call from his own Uncle George, George, and he said, Your dad's gone. He had a heart attack.
Oh my gosh. But that shows you, although how heart God why am I so emotional? Well, I while that's so heart-wrenching, it's it's it's the providence of God, JJ.
Well, I certainly wasn't trying to make y'all discuss that's deeply personally. No, it's needed.
No, it's it's needed, my man. See that that that's why I love you so much. Is is you know, in in even though I'm way behind on end in the curse, we don't mind discussing the hard things because they deserve to be discussed. Right. I'm sorry. That's my budget once again. I hope. No, that's funny.
That's how that I I could confirm what she was talking about when she said that I I can hear the angel singing, and she was sitting there crying because of that.
Wow.
And you know, tears of joy. And the room, the living room felt so much better, the air was lighter, you actually wanted to breathe in the room, and the heavy weights where it felt like you had 16 cinder blocks on your on your chest was gone.
And I think this is really important, and it's something that I've never personally discussed before. But when it comes to the the interpreting of sounds, it's amazing at the variety that people experience when that happens. Like I've I mean, I have personally experienced two variant moments in my life, and to me, I interpreted that as my faith being refilled in that. Absolutely particularly low points, and it was almost like someone struck a bell inside of me. I didn't hear anything, but it was like light suddenly suffused my entire being.
Yeah, and I'm wondering if that's kind of the same thing and it's just experienced differently. The the friend heard angel singing, you heard tiny bells. I experienced uh a clarion moment. Uh it's it's fascinating to me, and I would I would love to see further studies being done upon this, and it would be really hard to do because it happens so infrequently, but yet, yeah, anyway, I didn't mean to get us off track. Go ahead, John.
Oh no, no, it's it's a fascinating thought, and you've done intrigued me to start digging into it and do another show.
So they were dog signs and symbols, yeah, yeah. And so at that moment, we we sat and we talked for a while, and and I've got to wait. It was so peaceful in that home after that point, JJ. That we had talked and two hours went by and I didn't even know it. And I looked at the phone and saw that dad was messaging me if everything was okay. Oh my god.
Well, let me ask you this two quick follow-up questions. Did you feel any what's the right word that in order to describe that in-manity flowing forth from the basement? Yes. Okay, and was that still the case even after the incident in the attic was resolved?
Yes, okay, and uh uh actually we had we had as we were talking, I went ahead and scheduled another session within two weeks and went went home, and that night I texted her, I said, How's everything going tonight? And she said that she had actually just left to take her husband to the doctor because he was vomiting uncontrollably when he came back into the home. Oh, wow, yeah, and stayed overnight. And she even said herself that she feels like it was more spiritual.
And I said, Yes, from everything that y'all told me, I feel like he has an attachment, and it was probably the blessed incense that he was smelling that set him off and made him start vomiting.
Well, probably a combination of the incense and you blessing the doorways, I would imagine, would also have a really powerful effect.
Oh, yes, and she felt the same way about it, and she told us uh and we told her that he needs to be willing to get rid of it, and if he wants to, we can do it. And supposedly she says that ready now that he wants to do it. Well, they had a conversation here. Okay, I'm I'm ready to do this. Yeah, well, good. So hopefully he's being sincere.
Instead of just saying it in order to get the topic out of the way. Yeah.
Well, I will I pray that's the case because I don't know how many times, even if you're doing it over the doorway into the basement, if that's that's not you're you're still leaving the enemy a foothold.
So yeah, I can see all which I actually told her I said next session. I said well, he he he didn't even come inside for the session either. He stayed outside the whole time. And I told her, I said, if he does that again and sits outside for the next one, or if he's even there at all, I said, regardless, we'll we won't have to tell him, but we're gonna go down to the basement. Good. Because of some things that happened down there that we're gonna do. Inappropriately, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what, JJ.
And and just to say, for the sake of discretion, we are not going to delve into the details of that. No, absolutely not. No, absolutely. We have invoked enough potential evil already without going into the more human side of things.
Well, you you know what, JJ, is it's very important that you said what you said because even with me, if we were to indulge any information to any eagling that someone could figure out who we're talking about, I would be stripped of holy orders.
Right. And and the other thing too is just we are men of honor, and we never would take someone's privacy to be anything less than sacred. Absolutely. I've repeated that over and over again, and I would never attempt to get y'all to divulge something that would do that, and even if something was inadvertently slipped through, which it never has, then I would edit the ever-living hack out of it or just not release it because it's not worth not worth it.
You know what, uh JJ, uh just as a I'm gonna call it a follow-up question. And uh by no means would I ever want to put you on spot, but during the uh description and everything, there there was there was a common theme, not only the holy water was being sprinkled, but the sacred chrism. And I know from your background you understand what that means. There's a difference between the anointing of the infirmity or the oil of infirmity versus the sacred chrism. I want to address that in case just anybody ever has a question about it, but I want to hear your take on it too.
When it comes to Josh took the sacred chrism, the key word there being sacred, right? And anointed the doorways. What happened?
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Yep, I know what you're getting at, but why don't you elucidate?
The anointing of the sacred chrism is what is used in the sacraments of the church for baptism, for confirmation, many times even during holy matrimony, which that is very powerful within itself. It is a whole another type and shadow of the bride and the bridegroom versus Christ, our bag bridegroom, and we the bride. But anyway, in the that's a whole nother podcast. Let me not go JJ. I'm not going to be Alice on your show. We'll say that for the paranormal rundown. How about that?
Uh so but him anointing the the panels of the door, so to speak, which was described in the book of Exodus, that was when they took the lamb that stayed with them and without blemish sacrificed the lamb and took the blood and applied it to the panels of the door so that the death plague would pass over them.
Yeah, the plague of the first born born.
Absolutely.
Which I mean, and I just wanted to point out for those that are not familiar, this is a very common theme that you find throughout the ancient Middle East. Yes. And Akkadian belief, you would have Lamashtu, who is a horrible demon, that would go sniffing at doorways in order to find mothers who had just given birth or newborn children. And if so, then she would come in and ravage them and take them away. And they would use a small statue of Pazuzu, which if you've ever heard Dr. Finkel give uh lectures on and that's fascinating.
He always supposed that they had an intimate connection at some point, those two figures, and he was kind of like the ex-husband that she couldn't stand, and she would always flee away, which always kind of tickled me with that mental.
I always thought it was funny myself, but you know, sorry.
Is this act of protecting the home in some fashion? And you even find that within modern Ethiopia, where people were where mothers are wearing this protection scroll around their neck, which is meant to protect against all the great evils, but especially Shotalai, which are these race of baby killing demons that were spawned forth. So, anyway, go ahead, please.
Well, see, you just spurred a whole nother topic that we're gonna have to talk about the baby killing demons. Yeah, do you remember in the old testament where the people were boiling the babies? Yep. Okay, oh gosh, see, I told you I was not gonna go down a rabbit hole, and I'm gonna blame it on you.
Well, I already had gone down uh a couple myself, so yeah, but you just followed my direction.
I love it though. That's that's that's just who we are. I wanted to, speaking of the sacred chrism and the incense and the importance of all that, you know, some people may wonder, well, why is that important? Well, in the church, we have the sacraments, right? We have the seven sacraments, but we also have what is called the sacramentums, and when it comes to things like incense and holy water and the sacred chrism and the oil of infirmity, those are called the sacramentums, which comes from the sacraments.
Therefore, the you know the the sacraments the sacraments are for the I'll call it the marriage of the bride to the bridegroom. How about that?
Yep, and the sacramentums are created to strengthen that and to set apart, or to facilitate the sacraments themselves.
Absolutely. And and I just I just I just thought that was I just thought that was very important to bring up, but but also I want to hear I don't mean to take over your show. I apologize.
No, no, you go right on ahead. But but I have a problem with you talking.
Well, well, I I I just think it's very important not only for Josh to speak about, for you to speak about as well. And it really hit me as a point of knowledge that I think everyone needs to hear. Do you remember Josh said that he's been sitting under me for three years? Why? Why would it take three years? And I won't, I want Josh to Josh has been studying under me for three years. And I just want him to, you know, you know, you just recently joined our uh classes, and you're gonna be helping me on those.
Yep, but I I won't I want Josh to explain why it's not okay to attend a weekend retreat and then all of a sudden think you're a deliverance minister. He chuckled when I said that, by the way.
Oh, I saw, and I don't blame him.
Well, because number one, get your ass whooped.
Is JJ laughing? Yeah, yes.
Also, because it takes longer because you have to develop a discipline. Because if you go in there and for lack of a better phrase, think you're Billy Badass, you're making it uh you're making the exorcism about you, exactly, and that will turn you into a target because you're personally challenging the demon, and it will accept that challenge because it's stronger than you.
Oh, of course. I always think of it like this, and it's a really bad analogy. But when a person joins the military, the the that particular branch of service does not stick a gun in their hand immediately and say, Okay, go have fun, it'll be great, you'll do fine. No, basic training, they go through basic training, they go through all of the rudimentary knowledge transfer that they have to do in order to be able to act as a cohesive whole.
JJ, hold on. Yeah, here you go again.
Uh-oh.
You would not believe one of my recent sermons. I was just about to say basic training. The basics is what he called it. I'll send that to you. But anyway, I love that. I just uh I just had to bring that up one more time because it's crazy to me. Are you in my mind somehow? No, I am not.
Okay, you don't want me in your mind. You'd be terrified, honestly. What in the heck is all this crap? I might need to go exercise, JJ.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Josh. Probably agrees with that one. But Josh, I I I I completely agree with you. I mean, you have uh a crap load more field and practical experience than I would hope to have, and I'm not attempting to replicate that by any stretch of the imagination. And I mean, it's one of those facts where what you said is of utmost importance, it's not about you. And I think that's where a lot of paranormal investigators and these horribly named demonologists come off as.
You know, it's the thrill of the of finding out the unknown, and they put that thirst for newness, for Knowledge on the upfront and they will directly engage with the enemy. And that's the last thing you do. You you are a conduit for God. God is the only thing that can ever protect you. And if you open yourself and you step away from that grace and you expose yourself, then you you might as well just be offering yourself up on a platter for all I'm concerned.
Yeah. And that's the thing with the exorcist. The power is not doesn't come from him, it comes from the church and it comes from Christ. And the clergyman, we act in persona Christi, which is in the person of Christ. It's Christ through us. Right. It's not us. And that's what folks need to understand.
Here, here. Uh is a perfect way of saying that. Yeah, and that's why you never engage with the enemy, you don't ask the questions. And I I think what you did in that particular case where you felt yourself wavering and you knew that you could not do that. Because that is the same thing as stepping away from the grace of God and saying, Here I am, come on in.
Yeah. It would backfire, and then I could have become I I would have walked away with an attachment. Right. Exactly. If not worse.
You know, you know, with that being said, I wonder, JJ, how many how many of the modern day quote unquote exorcists would stop and admit I'm weak, a lot of you. And then acknowledge, no, not about me, it's Christ in me. You know, you know, you know, the scriptures remind us that of this great mystery that St. Paul talked about that's been hidden from ages and generations, Christ in you, the hope of glory. When Paul cried out about his thorn in the flesh, and he was at the very beginning of that chapter speaking of the apostle John that was called up the Lord's.
And but anyway, to make a long story short, he cried out to the Lord three times, Lord, take this, take, take this away from me. Whatever this thorn was, who knows what it is. But Joshua experiencing a thorn, but that thorn at times is very important to remind you that it is not about you. And that's what I think we face a lot today with the modern day deliverance ministries. And I won't call any names this time like I did on the PRD, but uh, you know who I'm talking about.
Well, I was just gonna I was gonna have to say I gotta cut you off right there because unless you're Bob Larson, who is an epitome of all things that should be one should strive to be, and that is complete sarcasm. Please do not emulate that man.
Anyway, okay, you read my mind again.
I knew where you were going, and I I don't mind calling that charlatan out.
But it but it's you see, that's what it's got to come down to, and and and you said it best one time when you quoted Father Malachie Martin that the exorcist loses a part of himself each time.
Yeah, and if and the thing that always the the priest that is in the prologue and the epilogue, I think it is more important than anything to picture not the man who started off at a younger age who was confronting this horrible presence in a small shack in a foreign country, rather where he ended up. He was sequestered away in a monastery, and all he could do was flower may play in the flowers and sit on a bench and warm himself in the sun, but even then he could not feel the joy of life, right, nor the warmth of the light.
And that is because he had given everything for his pursuit of others.
Yeah, and I think that's the reason why I wept so much in part one.
Anyway, I I wasn't trying to try.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, but but but I I I I totally agree with you because it it really takes something out of you, and you've got to have just like Josh said, he's been in this for three years before he ever went out. Am I being a protective daddy? Well, you damn right I am. And and excuse me, Father Mike just said damn. But but yes, of course, because I'm not only his father, I'm his priest.
Right.
And it's my responsibility to take care of them. And that's like the classes that you and I and we're all doing. We're we're preparing people, whether are all of them called to be exorcists, will they all go do it? No, of course not. We are equipping the saints for the building of the kingdom, and in the building of the kingdom, sometimes you have to stand upon the wall, and that's what these are all about.
And those that are called to do this, God have mercy on them, but I want to be able to train them correctly because we are in a state now that where so much of the church doesn't even believe in hell or demons anymore. Sadly. But yet we wonder why the demonic activity is on the rise.
And well, I'm also, if you remember, I'm filling the vows I made when you, after my ordination, you instituted me into our church as a deacon. And one of the vows I accepted was was an answer to a question was, will you be there for those in the church? Yeah, to look after them. And I said, I will, with God's help. I will with what? With God's help. Hello.
And so that is not a light or casually given agreement, that is a true obligation.
Yes, absolutely. And so I was I was fulfilling that.
Well, I think Josh Slide tore me where he can see us both.
Do I have to? No.
You know you got to see my ugly mug just one more time tonight.
Hey, if you if you can look at mine, I can look at y'alls whenever you want.
I just I just gotta tell you that I have to go a week without talking to one of you guys really hurts me.
Oh, it does me too. I feel more than a little bit lost, honestly.
I I do too, and and it's always, I mean, you're the guy that I don't mean to brag on you, but I just got to you're the guy that brought me into the fold. We're if you remember correctly, I told you with our first meeting, I told you flat out. I'm like, who in the hell is Josh listening to? Yeah, do you remember that?
Well, and that's all thanks to Josh, because I mean the fact that you convinced your your father to actually come on and listen, and that means the world to me.
You know, it we always make fun of it now, but you know, and please don't ever change the name. But when I heard Southern Demonology, I'm like, what the hell is that?
You will not be the first, even though I love the name, I I couldn't change it even if I wanted to. No, do not it has you know, I always say that there are lower bars of of entry and higher bars of entry. That name has, even though it draws some attention in a positive way, and others it repulses, and I've had to defend or give preliminary explanations of we're not bad, we're not bad people, we're not satanic, this is about this, ignore the name, and yeah, it's become a kind of the standard spiel at this point.
Well, well, for me personally, it it spurred me to search it out, and I did. The name, I'm like, okay, well, maybe he's from the south. I can dig that. I'm a southern boy, I'm a Chattahoochee river rat. And Josh said, no, no, Daddy, he's he's on the upside. I said, Okay, and so I was just in the background, just as my stepfather would say, which is my dad, I was goggling you. You know, he calls Google Goggle. I was goggling you, and and I said, Okay.
I said, and I listened to a couple of the episodes, and I'm like, clearly, I'm not the smartest guy in the room after listening to the first few episodes. So that piqued my in my interest. And I'm like, I can learn something from this guy.
DJ, just fooled another one.
You know, that just that just that that just goes to show you you you don't know everything. I don't. And and and so I'm like, okay. And then all of a sudden, Josh says, it was one of our cases, wasn't it? It was uh Fairhope. Fairhope. Yeah, it was Fairhope. Josh said, uh, JJ wants to have you on the show. I'm like, what? Yeah, I told him about uh case in Fairhope. Uh yeah, yeah. That was in JJ's first interview. I said, I said, what if this guy that I don't even know has the confidence of bringing me on a show, I'm down with that.
And it's been it's been glorious ever since day one, in my opinion. Yep.
Uh I've loved it. Y'all have been on my show more than any other guest by a wide margin, and I would not have it any other way, honestly.
Absolutely. Well, the same goes here. And do you have any final thoughts or words?
Well, the the last thing I wanted to ask you about before we close out is why so beyond the attachment to the husband, which I can say fairly certainly that that is absolutely the case, why else, or would there be any other contributing factors as to why you think that this particular entity's attachment to this place is so strong.
Generational curse. Yeah, every apparently when they were discussing the history of the home, uh every person that's there would develop some sort of serious issue with rage. And it goes back years, which makes me believe, uh, especially after seeing it materialize out of thin air, that this is something old and it just feels old.
Y'all know how old that house is by any chance?
I don't know, but that thing that hit me in the attic, that was the one of the first things that it happened so quickly and the pain was so intense. But but but I felt one thing, this is ancient. This is tied to the land. Yeah. And it yeah, he had a headache in three days, DJ. Three days, almost to a migraine level. And it oh god, I have had I have only had two migraine headaches in my whole life, and I don't wish that on anyone. Yeah. But to have one for three days, I feel sorry for anyone that suffers these types of headaches, but it hurt.
It hurt and although the scratches were gone within a few hours, the the feeling, the was still there, the sensitivity on the surface of the skin, if you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, the burning, it was there for three days.
How long did the smell last to y'all? Or did the floral scent kind of abolish it after y'all experienced it?
Well, after after the first event, remember I told you that the air got lighter and I could smell like a floral scent. But once again, ah, this might tie into a whole three-day theory, but but for about three days, I could still smell that stench every now and then.
Well, that's what I was wondering, because if the pain would linger for that long, that makes me think that there would be another manifestation of it as well, such as that smell.
Well, and and also and also to me, and please tell me what you think about it. The the pain, the smell, I think it was one other thing we talked about, but but anyway, it lasted for three days. Yeah, when it comes to Christ, what happened after three days?
Well, that and also the infernal loves to mimic the you know, righteousness, exactly.
The past to mimic the holy trinity, and so I I think that is to the point where they're calling themselves the kingdom, exactly. So that brings up a whole another point, and uh, you're gonna make me have to see that's what I'm talking about. Even though we're writing curriculum, we don't know everything. I'm about to dig into that and get some early church fathers and find out even more stuff. No, I'm I like that, JJ. I like that.
I would love to hear the fruits of that research. I really would.
Any other follow-up questions that we could they could answer for anyone?
No, that's it. And I if anyone does, please feel free to reach me at southerndemonology.com, hit the contact button, and I will or hit me up on Discord, and I can then forward these questions if you have them over to uh Father Bursong and his son Deacon Josh, and we can get those questions answered if I don't know them, and I will probably still seek their opinion, even if I do, just so that you're not just hearing it from me. I like to have multiple sources to make sure that I'm right. But if y'all do have any questions, please reach out.
I am accessible, they are accessible, and uh we can get whatever inquiries that you may have going.
Yeah, I want to add one thing. When when when JJ says that we are accessible, we mean it. We mean it. We've had so many reach out to us and say, Well, we really didn't think you would call us back. No, if you got a problem, if you were suffering through something, don't try to do it alone, reach out to us. We're here for you, and we mean that. So please, dear saints, don't go through turmoil alone, even though you may even live in another state, we can still encourage you and help you. So reach out.
There's no reason for anybody to go through something alone if you feel that you're being attacked from the infernal.
Amen. Because the infernals, their greatest tactic is to separate and isolate. Absolutely. The more alone they can make you feel, then you will have nothing but it to rely upon, and that's when it has you in its clutches. Absolutely.
Well, y'all, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate y'all sharing this. And I know we got very personal. I certainly wasn't trying to, but I understand how it's critical to everything that was going on, but the fact that y'all were willing to relive that and share that and educate people really means everything to me. Thank y'all so much for your time.
Absolutely.
Alrighty. Well, y'all know how to find me. I have already elaborated it. It's also in the conclusion to the show. Thank you all for listening. I cannot express how amazing I think all of this turned out to be. And that's why I was so desperate to get it on, and that's why I'm rushing it into right when you hear it. So this should be episode six of season five as a result.
And I'm willing to work all weekend to get that done because I think this is a story that needs to be out there, not for viewership reasons, not because I'm hungry for internet points or anything like that, but because this may actually help people, and that's the business that we are in. Absolutely. Not to sell, you know, anything else. And there will be uh, and lastly, I will say that speaking of books, uh, Father Mike does have some books that he has written. There are five, if I'm not correct.
Five now, yes.
Yep. If you go to bookpatch.com, then they are there, they're available for purchase, they are cheap, and the reason is not to make money, but just to cover the cost of printing and to be able to get them out to other people. So please go check them out. I have all of them, they are wonderful editions, and I cannot recommend them enough. So if you're looking for a little spiritual guidance, then I honestly can't think of a better source for that. Anyway, thank you all for joining, and I hope y'all have a fantastic night. Absolutely. Thank you for listening to Southern Demonology.
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